Liberals loooooovvvee Islam

[EntirelyOfThisWorld]

Critisizing Islam while critisizing Islamobopbia is only a contradiction to those whos narrow world view is shaped by Faux News.

[Jorjor]

And all blacks are potential gangsters who can "pop a cap in yo ass!". And all white people are potential corporate assholes who want to steal your money and invest it in stupid stocks. And all Asians want to steal your dog and eat it.

EVERYONE is capable of killing you, and it is FAR more likely that a white person will assault you than a brown. So if you are an Islamophobe I hope you are an Ultra-Cacausianphobe, because those white people are the biggest threat to your health unless you decide to move to Pakistan.

I may be wrong but judging from your posts it seems like you think Muslim is some kind of race....?  :-k   correct me if I'm wrong.

It's the ideology/teachings of the islam itself that I consider potentially dangerous. Race(at least to me) does not play into it.

[Sargon The Grape]

I may be wrong but judging from your posts it seems like you think Muslim is some kind of race....?  :-k   correct me if I'm wrong.

I can't speak for Shiranu's views, but it is true that Muslims are being racialized and have been for some time now. (Much like how the Jews were racialized in the 1930's.) It's not surprising that anyone would make that mistake, given that it's happened before.

[Atheon]

I'm a liberal, and I don't love Islam or any religion. I have yet to encounter a liberal who loves Islam. Islam is at its very heart a conservative philosophy.

Mainly what I see among liberals is an abhorrence for bigotry. When we appear to "defend" Islam, what may be happening is we're condemning Islamophobia: the knee-jerk, fallacious sentiment that "some Muslims are terrorists, therefore all Muslims are terrorists." As a result of this sentiment, we get profiling, attacks against Muslims, and other evils, which, if we replace "Muslim" with "Jew", would look just like the anti-Semitism of the early 20th century.

[stromboli]

Claiming that being Muslim is being a terrorist is Islamaphobia.  Claiming that Islam, AS IT'S PRACTICED, is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-free speech, is just the truth.  (Religions, all religions, tend to be anti-free speech and anti-anything-but-them.  A religion that's tolerant of other religions, without being the only force around, is quickly extinct.)

Or in other words: There's plenty to criticize without making shit up.

^this

[Hydra009]

I'm a liberal, and I don't love Islam or any religion. I have yet to encounter a liberal who loves Islam. Islam is at its very heart a conservative philosophy.

Mainly what I see among liberals is an abhorrence for bigotry. When we appear to "defend" Islam, what may be happening is we're condemning Islamophobia: the knee-jerk, fallacious sentiment that "some Muslims are terrorists, therefore all Muslims are terrorists." As a result of this sentiment, we get profiling, attacks against Muslims, and other evils, which, if we replace "Muslim" with "Jew", would look just like the anti-Semitism of the early 20th century.

Bingo!  You win one free internet.



Shir had some good points as well.  I'm fine with criticizing the hell out of Islam, it deserves every bit of it, but fearing the >1 billion population as if they are all like that jihadist subset you hear about on the news is moronic and contemptible.

[_Xenu_]

If anything, I tend to be much harsher towards Islam. I consider it a disease.

[_Xenu_]

I may be wrong but judging from your posts it seems like you think Muslim is some kind of race....?  :-k   correct me if I'm wrong.

It's the ideology/teachings of the islam itself that I consider potentially dangerous. Race(at least to me) does not play into it.

While in practice Islam is mostly a middle eastern thing, the ideology itself is dangerous and would be regardless of race.

[Plu]

LikelyToBreak is showing an excellent example of why liberals tend to "defend" Islam, even though they never do.

[StupidWiz]

It may have something to do with Islam being a minority in your country. In my country, the so called liberals or seculars tend to bash Islam more than any other religions. I remember joining a Facebook group called Aliansi Sekular Indonesia ( Indonesian Secular Alliance) which claims to support diversity and tolerance toward anyone. However, most of the post there often highlight the dirt and atrocities that Islam does here. How it's sexist, anti gay, anti free speech, discriminative toward non Muslims, etc.

One day, there's an atheist who brought up the brutality of God of the Bible. He's immediately accused as Muslim trying to slander and provoke the poor, fragile Christians. Almost everyone jumped into the defense of Christianity, how it's a more passionate, loving religion than Islam, how the scripture was not relevant anymore, blah2. In the end, that atheist was banned, and his post was deleted. I don't know about you but I felt, disgusted, furious even when I didn't participate at all in that thread. So, needless to say, I left that group. We should not be in favor toward any particular religion just because it's a minority. Being a minority doesn't mean that you're immune to criticism. That's my opinion on the matter.

[Plu]

While I agree that being a minority doesn't mean you're immune to criticism, the unfortunate truth is that being a minority does make you vulnerable to being fucked over by a religious majority.

The problem I see comes from the fact that Muslims (followers of a poisonous doctrine, but mostly harmless people) are being fucked over in their lives by Christians (followers of a poisonous doctrine, but mostly harmless people). At least in the US. As the post above shows; it's the exact other way around in countries where Muslims are a majority religion.

But apparently pointing out that the majority is just as stupid as the minority, but the minority are catching a load of flak for mostly no valid reason by the majority who do the same stupid shit is "defending Islam". Instead of what it actually is; defending the right of a minority of stupid people to believe stupid things without being unfairly ostracized by a majority of stupid people who believe mostly the exact same stupid things.

So yeah. I'm totally "defending Islam" here, right guys?

[josephpalazzo]

It's basically the Right lying again. Liberals are by nature tolerant of minorities, and the GOP and conservatives have poisoned the well by saying that liberals tolerate Islam, and by extention, tolerate terrorists.

If you fall for that lie, you are a fucking moron.

[Cocoa Beware]

Agreed, since there is no such thing as a race.

Unless you're playing MarioKart.

[Jmpty]

I Loooooove Islam, because it scares the crap out of the Christians.

[Mister Agenda]

I resent when people are singled out as a racist by ignoramuses who apparently don't even understand what that word really means.

If you think Muslims are a race then you are not very smart.

You're absolutely right. People who think a religious minority that comprises less than 2% of their nation's population is about to kill everyone and overthrow the country are paranoid bigots, not racists.