Started by PopeyesPappy, March 01, 2023, 01:08:48 PM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 01, 2023, 01:08:48 PMThe argument against allowing transgender women to compete in women's sports is that someone born male can, not necessarily will, have physiological advantages over someone born female that cannot be overcome by any amount of conditioning or training.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 01, 2023, 01:18:47 PMI often feel like they shouldn't. Exactly for your first set of reasons. We are a sexualy dimorphic species and sex change operations don't completely overhaul all of that. I feel bad for the women that fall out of the competition because of that, but yeah. Neither option seems fair. But you are not a woman because you can compete in ranked woman's sports, if that makes sense.Its not a strong position, i hold, however. I can see the other arguments
Quote from: the_antithesis on March 01, 2023, 01:29:53 PMI start with I'll care about sports when hell exists and freezes over.That said, is this actually true, or just dumb sexism again? I had read somewhere that women's muscles don't bulge as much as men's when at a similar level of strength development, which would lead braindead chads to think they aren't as strong, when they are. So would a trans woman actually have a physiological advantage because they are biologically male? I don't think that's true.
Quote from: the_antithesis on March 01, 2023, 01:29:53 PMSo would a trans woman actually have a physiological advantage because they are biologically male? I don't think that's true.
QuoteShould transgender women be allowed to compete in women's sports?
QuoteLet's not fall into the 'women are the weaker sex bullshit.'
Quote from: Shiranu on March 03, 2023, 10:28:19 PMAlready been addressed - they aren't "the weaker sex", they are "the sex that statistically, due to a variety of genetic differences, overwhelmingly are weaker when compared to men of extremely similar base size and training".Making it anything more than that is placing your own biases on it.
Quote from: M on March 05, 2023, 04:06:33 PMShow me the statistics that back up your claim.
QuoteIf you know sport, you know this beyond a reasonable doubt: there is an average 10-12% performance gap between elite males and elite females. The gap is smaller between elite females and non-elite males, but it's still insurmountable and that's ultimately what matters. Translating these statistics into real world results, we see, for example, that:Just in the single year 2017, Olympic, World, and U.S. Champion Tori Bowie's 100 meters lifetime best of 10.78 was beaten 15,000 times by men and boys. (Yes, that's the right number of zeros.)The same is true of Olympic, World, and U.S. Champion Allyson Felix's 400 meters lifetime best of 49.26. Just in the single year 2017, men and boys around the world outperformed her more than 15,000 times.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 05, 2023, 04:54:53 PMSure, this is from Duke law...https://law.duke.edu/sports/sex-sport/comparative-athletic-performance/As for any more evidence, Google exists - feel free to look up any competition statistics in essentially all physically-demanding sports and compare the statistics of the male and female athletes.But if you cant use your eyes and figure out that women are genetically weaker then men on average, I don't know what to tell you other than look for a new pair of glasses.