Started by Dreamer, January 19, 2023, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Dreamer on February 05, 2023, 03:11:07 PMI see it similar to a muscle. The more you practice, the stronger and more reliable it becomes. When you first begin playing a sport, you'll win every now and then; that condition doesn't persist with training. That is to say, there's a point in following God, even when we get it wrong.For me, guilt and anxiety can often color what I think God is wanting me to do. I try to temper that in a variety of ways: reading the Bible and other sacred texts, waiting worship, emotional exploration to see if it's just my own anxieties, prayer, even mantras to address feelings of guilt and anxiety. And to remind me that I am a child of God and under God's protection and authority, I sometimes wear a hat or scarf or snood like women used to do a long time ago (and some still do).I also make sure that it passes through the dual prisms of loving God and loving others as myself as a standard litmus test. Jesus refers to these two tenants multiple times, as fulfilling the Law and Prophets, as the greatest commandment, and the secret to eternal life.A lot of churches are as you described. I remember as a preteen attending a revival at a very large, very loud church. Lots of whooping and yelling, dancing, "tongues"... The pastor put his hand on my forehead and screamed a prayer in combination English and "prayer language" over me. His hand shook, and he kept pushing on my head. I was surrounded by people, many touching me. My neck was hurting, and I hate loud noises, so I was ready for him to move on. Then the pastor pushed pretty hard, and I remember hands pulling me down. I didn't get that after he prayed for someone, the expectation was that they would pass out or lose control of their bodies in response. When I didn't, he was trying to encourage me to fall back. And apparently had arranged with the deacons to just take down anyone who didn't follow the stage directions. I cried for a while on that floor, and I'm sure people thought I was having some divine experience or something. I was scared and overstimulated, and to be honest, I can still feel that sense of violation creeping up in me. Those types of churches still make me leery...But, I love the Friends. Many Meetings (Quaker church) don't use music at all, nor have prepared messages. We often refer to the Light, and there are people who only use that language rather than God because.. they're agnostics or atheists lolWe believe that God dwells within, and God can speak to all of us, to our condition. We can cultivate that inner Light, and that work is easiest in community.My Meeting does have a pastor, but we believe that everyone can be a minister. We have a time of silence, and sometimes people share messages. It's refreshing to hear doubts and struggles amid words of blessings, proverbs, etc. It's like the opposite of that uncomfortable revival experience.
Quote from: ManUfan on February 05, 2023, 04:12:27 PMJust to add.Dreamer's condition or previous condition is in no way life threatening if treated in a timely fashion by health care professionals.Leave it to prayer and God, I'm not too sure.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 05, 2023, 06:11:39 PMYeah, but he won his bet with Satan. Or did he? I forget. 🤔
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 05, 2023, 03:59:24 PMBut God cannot be both omniscient and free. If God is omniscient then he's always known everything he would ever do, and everything he would not ever do. So he cannot be free to not do anything he's always known he would do, and he cannot be free to do anything he's always known he would not ever do.So God is either not omniscient or God is not free. Which do you believe is the case?
Quote from: Dreamer on February 22, 2023, 01:53:52 AMFor my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 22, 2023, 07:43:14 PMAre you sure????? I thought Bugs Bunny said that! Or was it Pacos Bill.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 22, 2023, 06:38:48 PMDo we know which of the thousands of gods Dreamer is talking about? Wouldn't want to worship the wrong god, he'll kill your ass for that.
Quote from: Dreamer on February 22, 2023, 09:14:16 PMGod. God who doesn't kill your ass for that.
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 05, 2023, 07:37:47 PMI am similar. I'm an introvert, so my Pentecostal church I grew up in never appealed to me. When my family switched to a Lutheran church, it was refreshing. The pastor actually talked like a normal human being. He didn't act like a fucking lunatic, use church jargon, slam his fists on the pulpit, or speak gibberish.The music was an improvement too. I can't stand Gospel music, especially when the music minister repeats the chorus as many times as he feels like. It was less loud, and didn't use language that was two centuries out of date.That was when I actually started enjoying going to church. It helps when the experience isn't an assault on all the senses.