Started by Dreamer, January 19, 2023, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 23, 2023, 08:50:49 AMAsking a question of 'why' is an insult?
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 21, 2023, 11:05:14 PMWhat leads you to believe (since you don't seem to like thinking--I do understand that tho, thinking is such a waste of time and effort) Jesus (of the bible) is not a fiction?
Quote from: Dreamer on January 21, 2023, 08:33:05 PMI'm okay with mysteries. I walk in faith, guided by that Light in all of us.I think all deeper truths point to the same thing--and the Christian God is the same as Allah, as Brahman, certainly Yahweh... The distinction is in the eye of the beholder, in our varied histories, languages, viewpoints....Specifically, the story of Jesus is powerful and inspiring. He was a rebel. Going against the authorities--not just the spiritual and religious but also the social and government entities of the day. And not just teaching peace but even healing a man who came to take him away to death, when that man was injured by one of Jesus' friends.It's not something that I sat down and considered in a critical manner. It's not the same as considering whether recycling is truly beneficial, weighing evidence and conflicting information (I recycle aluminum cans, but not paper. But I think that's getting off-topic...)I'm more concerned with how I ought to live my life and govern myself.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 23, 2023, 11:34:25 AMIt would be nice if you would offer a shred of data or proof to prove what you assert.
Quote from: Dreamer on January 24, 2023, 08:57:58 AMI already shared that I walk in faith. God isn't a simple matter of true or false. I have direct experience of God, and I see evidence of Her Creation everywhere. We're echoes of the divine, the Light unable to be extinguished. I'm happy to share about those experiences, but I've already clearly shared my bias here--and what if it was just an acid flashback, anyway?Anyone can have direct experience of God.If I see a beautiful rainbow in the sky, it would be pretty silly for someone to tell me it didn't happen simply because they weren't paying attention.
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 24, 2023, 09:35:51 AMDavid Attenborough:When people want to give God the credit, they nearly always take the example of butterflies or humming-birds or orchids or something lovely. But I think of a little boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa with a worm that is boring through his eyeball and which would certainly turn him blind within a few years. I think the challenge for the theist is to see echos of the divine in that worm. If you can't, then you don't see god anywhere at all.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 23, 2023, 11:42:16 AMWhat, for you, is 'free will'?
Quote from: Dreamer on January 24, 2023, 01:41:07 PMFirst, thanks for the question that is so easy to answer...I'm a fan of indeterminate free will, philosophers like Kane. He describes it much better than I could, but it's something like you have options within a framework that both limits (and sometimes expands) those options.This is another example of a question that can't be answered simply by evaluating the evidence; it is experiential as well. And yet thinkers across many subjects have written thousands of articles and books exploring the idea of free will, with largely what can be considered facts rather than personal experience.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 24, 2023, 12:11:29 PMNature is only beautiful from a distance. Look too closely, and you see it as the bloodbath, cruel struggle for survival that it is.
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 24, 2023, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: aitm on January 23, 2023, 09:39:18 AMNothing says love like demanding children's head be bashed against the rocks and telling the hebes they can take the young women and rape them at will. Sure is odd how xians view love.