Started by Cassia, December 07, 2021, 09:35:56 AM
Quote from: SGOS on December 08, 2021, 06:59:42 AMTo me, the infamy here is about the US political leadership and our military getting caught with our pants down. If Japan was not a threat, why did it take billions of dollars, a hundred thousand American lives, and over a million Japanese lives to stop the threat?
Quote from: Docillinois on December 08, 2021, 09:23:28 AMI would also contend that POTUS Roosevelt knew very well that the U.S. needed to be part of the war effort, that the isolationists were pursuing a dangerously naive policy, and that freezing three-fourths of Japan's overseas trade and 88 percent of its imported oil would render isolationists moot after forcing Japan's hand into action.I don't know that Roosevelt suspected that action would be so destructive in one swoop. But then, war is all destruction.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 08, 2021, 10:27:19 AMCINUS (say that out loud), the admiral in charge of the Pacific Fleet, was told that the fleet at Hawaii was the best deterrent the country could provide. The scene in "Tora, Tora, Tora", where there is ranting about tankers and cruisers being sent to the Atlantic is mostly accurate. But FDR was a former Assistant Secretary of the Navy and there is little chance, and less hard evidence, that he was trolling the Japanese.
Quote from: Docillinois on December 16, 2021, 05:19:10 PMAfter levying such tremendously hobbling economic sanctions upon the Japanese while they were in the middle of expanding their empire and fighting a world war? Its difficult to see how this wouldn't mean that Roosevelt was astonishingly unaware of the range of consequences regarding his economic and foreign policy decisions, I think. Which I admit is... possible. Producing a particular response by a soon to be enemy, then successfully selling that response in a certain light as a casus belli to engage in hostilities - not an unheard of technique among POTUSs, though.