Started by SGOS, September 23, 2020, 09:35:09 AM
QuoteFrom the New York times:Some of the gravest democratic collapses, Mr. Ziblatt and his co-author, Steven Levitsky, found, occurred in 20th century South America, whose two-party presidential systems closely resemble that of the United States. And the downward spiral began, more than once, with the party in power twisting unwritten but important norms to take control of the countryâ€™s highest court.In Argentina, the presidentâ€™s party abused its power to replace Supreme Court justices, installing loyalists in three out of the courtâ€™s five seats. In Venezuela, President Hugo ChÃ¡vez packed the court, adding a dozen new judges. Chile provides perhaps the most worrying example: Though the precise norm-breaking was different, it led to a cycle of escalation between the parties until the country â€" long seen as akin to the United States in its democratic longevity and stability â€" collapsed into violence and dictatorship.Chileâ€™s bloody fate was also the product of Cold War meddling and polarization that donâ€™t exist in todayâ€™s United States. But the pattern is disturbingly familiar. One party violates those norms to give itself a structural advantage beyond its share of the vote. The other side follows suit. Eventually, the norms are gone and with it democracy as we commonly understand it.Scholars have a term for this kind rule-twisting that exploits unwritten norms for short-term political gain: constitutional hardball.Any politician faces a temptation to break unwritten norms for short-term gain. The expectation is that theyâ€™ll restrain themselves out of a belief that preserving the system is more beneficial in the long-term and that voters or their peers may punish them for drastic transgressions.But when that logic fails and parties come to see hardball as worth the risk, it can, in extreme cases, set off a doom spiral that can be hard to recover from.Imagine a baseball game where one team begins breaking rules and faces little consequence. This forces the other team into a difficult choice. It can continue following the rules in the hopes that its opponents will voluntarily give up their rule-breaking advantage. Or it can even things out with its own rule-twisting, knowing this might set of a cycle of tit-for-tat escalation until theyâ€™re not even really playing baseball anymore so much as just brawling in the outfield.Thereâ€™s a reason that fights over the nationâ€™s high court are often what tip shaky democracies into outright collapse: Itâ€™s an opportunity for one team to appoint the umpires who oversee the game.
Quote from: SGOS on September 23, 2020, 09:39:14 AMAt one time I saw the courts as the epitome of the scales of justice. Who is it that holds that scales of blind justice? A goddess? I don't know if I've adopted a new perspective or if things have changed. That statue on the desk of the judge is just a symbol of something that doesn't exist. Did it ever? I don't know, but it's now a scam. Maybe it always was.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2020, 03:12:30 PMI guess, you expect some sort of a reaction from me, but I really have no idea what is that, Baruch? What are you talking about?Turkey and Greece...blah blah isn't that your childhood, youth and and old age?
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 26, 2020, 04:12:36 PMThere are similarities of the current USA and Athens because Athens and current USA are very much a Oligarchy and a bad "Tyrant" now is in control. But at the same time the Current USA is much different from the Empire Athens was.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2020, 04:32:01 PMThere are harsh similarities between Turkey today/Turkey 17 years ago and USA today/4 years ago, I just can't get how fast did that happen? I wish you could see beyond your made up identity and arrogance.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 30, 2020, 05:52:24 AMAs public trust in media, education and elections dwindles then democracy itself becomes unsustainable .https://youtu.be/1OqFY_2JE1c