Started by Jason Harvestdancer, July 03, 2020, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on July 04, 2020, 09:14:06 AMGood point. During the Democratic Primary an effort was made to ensure we saw all 20 candidates. Now that the major party primaries are over, we are only supposed to see two candidates.
Quote from: Sal1981 on July 04, 2020, 07:42:56 PMHere's a whataboutism: What about #Unity2020 ?
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on July 03, 2020, 09:46:46 PMSo, now that the Democrats have picked their candidate, we are supposed to pretend the third parties don't exist and concentrate ust on these two.Let's have it, stump for your preferred candidate.Personally I think replacing Trump with Biden is like sitting your pants and then changing your shirt.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 05, 2020, 03:20:03 AMWell today is not the time to vote Libertarian. That party wants to act like Trump on steroids and burn everything and that means all the socialist programs, environmental and civil protections out the door. They even want to let the private sector run many things and have a naive approach to free trade and believe private companies are angels and won't screw us all to death.
Quote from: Baruch on July 04, 2020, 10:52:49 PMThe two party system is the natural development of a democratic republican system of power sharing. People alone are weak. So they form parties, churches, companies, unions to magnify their competitive power (and individuals lose their personal power to do this). Eventually, in a city or a great nation, a nearly balanced two party system is formed because third parties are weak and never get anywhere (sorry). This is partly because of the US system (Presidential system with pluralistic representation) say compared to Italy (Parliamentary system with proportional representation). The problem with parliamentary systems is that you are often forced into coalitions governments ... because the polity is too divided.
Quote from: Baruch on July 04, 2020, 10:52:49 PMOne can argue as some do, that a parliamentary system is better, that proportional representation is better. But the name "Unity2020" is utopian. If there was just one person in your country, and they weren't schizoid, then you will have unity ;-) Otherwise, given the desire for power and money, unequal competition will result. And of course we have the one party dictatorship model of China. Unity by bayonet. The reality of human nature is that I am willing to put a shiv between your ribs to keep what I have, and get what I don't have ;-(
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on July 05, 2020, 08:52:54 AMActually I do vote, regularly, third party.Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.
Quote from: Sal1981 on July 05, 2020, 11:21:18 AMYou write that as if coalition governments are bad. I view them as a net positive because of the vibrant discourse and *gasp* concessions and *double gasp* compromises the elected official are willing to make. This in turn results in genuine discussion in public - I'm wary of people talking about disagreements between political parties as if nothing gets done.#Unity2020 was, in large part, started by Bret Weinstein and has gotten a life of its own apart from its originators. I wouldn't dismiss it that easily offhand. We'll see if this rock will fly.The people who only desire power and wealth are simpletons.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 05, 2020, 12:15:42 PMDo libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc? Got a plan for pandemics? Global warming? Universal healthcare?