Started by Jason Harvestdancer, July 03, 2020, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 06, 2020, 11:59:47 PMI never thought I'd be in agreement with Draconic, but:People that vote for libertarians are less respectable than any other voters, in my opinion. Yes, even less respectable than republican voters.Plus, if you really think voting 3rd party is a good choice, let me offer you this suggestion that would do more to benefit you as well as our country. Try jerking off on to the voting booth and walk out without even voting. I guarantee it will have more of an outcome than voting for Jo Jorgensen or any other 3rd party candidate.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on July 07, 2020, 02:32:00 AMI don't know. I often feel that if I had been an American., I would be very tempted to vote on neither Republicans nor democrats. But I think I would vote, third party if I found one that fit my wants better.Would that vote ever make a difference? Probably no more than your specific vote ever would. Probably no less either. And if the only reason why it's concidered foolish to vote third party is that nobody ever votes third party,... Well that's the problem right there innit?Look, I am in no place to get high and mighty. I think our country has the record of any industrialized western country of going without an elected government.But I respect people who vote for voting, no more no less than that. And whatever choice, I respect making a choice equally. Even if one option aligns more than the other.It's just that... Maybe I'm still young. But this American system does quite often seem to lead to a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. And no matter how much change y'all seem to want, you're just going to repeat that cycle every four years. And if that don't change, how can anything else?Break the wheel, khaleesi.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 07, 2020, 10:29:13 AMThere needs to be two things to happen in this country, and possibly other countries, but I'm just going to talk for the U.S.1- There needs to be an abolishment of the party system, all together. No republican party, no democrat party, no 3rd parties. none of it. Just candidates and what they will do. This will cause a few things to happen: voters will be forced to actually look in to who the candidates are and what they are going to do. Lobbies will also have a harder time bribing candidates, because of instead of bribing the party as a whole, they have to specifically target individuals. It will be more costly for them to spend money on the candidates this way and candidates will be bought out way less frequently.2- there also needs to be an abolishment of the electoral college. For me, my vote literally doesn't matter. I live in New Jersey. A very "blue" state. Even though I will be voting Biden, it doesn't matter because Biden will win New Jersey no matter what... even if Biden literally shits himself in the debates, NJ will vote Biden. In red states, no matter what, Trump will win.It's all about targeting swing states. The fly-over states with no population and no industry... other than Iowa with their corn and Idaho with their potatoes, they have almost nothing. It doesn't matter if Biden or trump campaigns in texas or california or New York.... those states will always vote the way they will vote, but if the candidates target the swing states strategically, they win. And that is bullshit. It needs to be individual votes. Not "did you win this state? here is 11 points to your victory!" Look at this map. When you know which ones are red and which are blue, historically. You know which candidate has "free points towards victory" and then they just need to close the gap in the rest of the places.These two things need to be legislated. Not just "i'm gonna vote for who I think is the best" when that candidate is a 3rd party candidate.... Because unfortunately going off of the "if everyone voted for who they genuinely thought was the best, we wouldnt have a problem" isn't how shit works. It's not reality. We need a solidified solution. A legislation.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on July 07, 2020, 12:29:06 PMAll very well put and thought out. But, without any attempts at sounding condescending... Without judgment, ill intent or any malice whatsoever....Do you think any elected Democrat or republican will enforce that change?
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on July 07, 2020, 02:32:00 AMI don't know. I often feel that if I had been an American., I would be very tempted to vote on neither Republicans nor democrats. But I think I would vote, third party if I found one that fit my wants better.Would that vote ever make a difference? Probably no more than your specific vote ever would. Probably no less either. And if the only reason why it's concidered foolish to vote third party is that nobody ever votes third party,... Well that's the problem right there innit?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 07, 2020, 09:34:49 PMIf we riot, yes.We either have to, as citizens, make them see profit in it, or see the adverse things that can happen for them, if change doesn't occur. I personally like the latter of the two. Fuck those assholes. They don't care about us... just themselves.I'm fully in favor of countrywide riots until they buckle.