Started by Baruch, April 19, 2019, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on April 20, 2019, 05:15:48 AMWould you like to get into why theism is a kind of pyschology? I mean speaking of letting go of illusions... :*
Quote from: Baruch on April 20, 2019, 11:17:36 AMHow about ... why psychology is a kind of theism? For me, those questions are symmetrical ;-) I have posted many times that psychology is the best way to understand what needs to be understood (and it isn't more stuff about the Higgs boson or black holes).The primary thing that humans need to study is humanity. And the primary ideology for humans, that isn't self destructive, is humanism. Humanism without artificial constraint (secular humanism), where both the objective (relatively) and the subjective are accounted for, rather than dismissed. Epistemologically open, and empirical, rather than ideological or rational (assuming reality is rational is going to far, that is an ideology itself). The alternative is more in-humanism, more WMD (including biological weapons), more Oppenheimers claiming to be Krishna.Physics won't help people understand human beings. It isn't a humanity, it is an inhumanity. Philosophy (aka Greek rationality usually) is also too ideological. The Chinese and Indians did plenty of psychological work without being within the Western cultural zone (because they are human too). I always gain new insight into myself and other people by being open to Eastern cultures, rather than approaching them like Rudyard Kipling.We in the West have created artificial dichotomies between objective and subjective, between theism and atheism ... these are all false dichotomies. But if you say ... not ... that proposition A is true or not ... but does person X believe proposition A and why do they believe it ... then the door to understanding people is open. The problem with most rationalists or naturalists (who exclude people from nature) is that they are a variant of humanity. Even Asperger types. High functional autistic males are mostly who have produced math and science. Otherwise they would have been musicians etc. Einstein himself was an idiot savant.
Quote from: Sal1981 on April 20, 2019, 11:42:56 AMWhat is your opinion of mindfulness? Sam Harris said, paraphrasing, that it is meditation decoupled from buddhism. All the effects of meditation without the theistic baggage.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on April 20, 2019, 12:45:42 PMThis^ is the long version of your usual 'you damn materialists!' Why do you jump to physics? Baruch, you hate studies on humanity, you only see it as a pile of ideologies. What does 'undertsanding people' mean? Are you making a wish? Are you praying?
Quote from: Baruch on April 20, 2019, 01:50:13 PMTo a rationalist, reality is a chess game where nobody cheats. I have to regret to tell rationalists ... life isn't a chess game, and everyone cheats.I refer to physics, because it is what some people here relate to. Joe (who used to post here) had Einstein as his idolatry. Not that I don't like physics (it is politics I don't like ... The Will To Power), it just doesn't inform me as to who I am, not even what I am. It only tells me what my atoms/molecules are. Reductionism doesn't work for me, so materialism/physicalism won't work either.Nothing wrong with materialism or materialists ... because there is nothing wrong with humanity, they are what they are. Like it or not. Often I don't like it, but that is my problem, not yours. Just as there is nothing wrong with me as an Anglo, having Mexican food for lunch. But when you say, the only food in the universe is Mexican food, then I can see your eyes swirling in their sockets, and back away, hoping you will resume taking your meds.And yes, I have used 5 years of rhetoric in my posts here. In fact I have developed a lot during my time here. But I am only becoming more myself, not becoming anyone else, or becoming a sterile female worker bee in some socialist hive. Ideologically I am pro-life and pro-people. But in practice there are problems with that ideology, for me. Life feeds on life aka death. People = most annoying species ever!
Quote from: Baruch on April 22, 2019, 01:31:01 PMMore German-Volk-Superiority? The Continental philosophy is different than the Anglo-American philosophy.
QuoteNot to mention India and China (traditional thinking). Are any of them right or wrong?
QuoteAnd is teleological progress a real thing?
QuoteIt is if you agree with Aristotle.
QuoteThat is why I included the whole Wiki psychology entry. It isn't cut and dried, like the mass of the Higgs boson (Higgs physics isn't done).
QuoteOne form of rationality would say that it has no subjectivity, has no cultural bias. But I can't agree to that. The empirical evidence is contrary.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on April 22, 2019, 01:52:07 PMNo. Just being the modern genuine source of Western philosophy. And its critic at the same time. That's your culture. So yeah, :*. Which America blew up with 'Murrica culture, while it could have created wonders.
QuoteRight or wrong? Are we back to 'understanding people' or some sort of psychology you think is 'right'? Or Zen? Because philosophy is much more than what you feel about it, sweety.
QuoteDo you think the concept of causality a real thing? See, the previous post.
QuoteYeah, thank fuck. Because if you had any idea what Democritus wrote besides his theory of atoms, we'd be reading that. There is no many forms of rationality.You need to learn what rationalism is.