Started by Baruch, November 02, 2018, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 02, 2018, 11:37:43 PMSharing age old practices with fellow Jews, including the traditional blessing over the challah (bread) and wine. I find it attractive to participate in some things that are over 2000 years old. I don't hate the past. I also don't fear the future.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 03, 2018, 04:07:57 AMI don't hate the past either. But as a former catholic, waiting in line in a big cold building for a stale cracker and a sip of wine doesn't appeal to me, especially after being told I'm a bad person for thirty minutes straight.Keeping traditions alive is fine, however. As long as they don't obstruct you or anyone from living their life to the fullest.If it aids you to do just that. More power to you.
Quote from: Baruch on November 03, 2018, 11:25:17 AMIn my case, I don't worship. I liturgy in traditional ways .. daven. Christians and Muslims have their war gods to worship. Constantine and Umar.And in egomaniacal America, we only worship ourselves. Money sometimes, but mostly ourselves. Voyage of the ship of fools.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 03, 2018, 11:31:21 AMWait a minute--do you or do you not worship? You said it both ways--but since you are a theist, I guess that is par for the course. Were you trying to say you like traditional stuff--or, at least, some. My wife is like that. She likes and appreciates some 'rites of life or passage'--like graduations, some church rituals, weddings, and most other social rituals. I'm not so hot for them, but I do see that sometimes they have a role to play.
Quote from: Baruch on November 03, 2018, 11:10:13 AMYes, but what about anarchists and savages ... they hold nothing sacred ;-) And yes, don't tell me I can't rob, rape and kill people ... that is denying freedoms ;-( Just saying, you are a statistic of one. Your neighbors per 20th century, aren't so nice, including Belgian fascists or supporters of the Belgian Congo. I feel unsafe being opening Jewish in the US, how much more so in Europe.Europeans have a rather strange view of religion relative to the US. Many of us came here to get away from the other Europeans. Often because we wanted to practice religion our own way, not because we were sans-culottes guillotining priests. With the tie in between religion and monarchy, in liberalizing times, it is no surprise that atheism writ large happened in Europe first.The majority of my ancestors are Catholic, but I feel no attraction ... that is just me. Others like my older brother, feel different about it.I am glad you are free to be non-religious. And I assume that isn't a cover (for anyone here) for what should be called criminal activity, in any culture. And anti-semitism is something I see on the Internet every day. But I wouldn't out-law it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 03, 2018, 11:46:33 AMGrammar Nazi??? Ha, ha :)))) You say you worship in one post and say you don't in another. Split personality much?
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 03, 2018, 12:06:12 PMWhat an odd response.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 03, 2018, 01:19:04 PMOdd you say!? From Baruch!? That sounded a lot less odd than much of his previous balderdash.
Quote from: Baruch on November 03, 2018, 01:28:56 PMWords were made for man, man wasn't made for words. I can use any word I want, any way I want. And it isn't necessarily inconsistent, just complicated. You do the same, but I don't get upset over it.