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Time For Athests To Prove There Is No God.

Started by godmessenger, January 26, 2017, 06:03:57 PM

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Heisreal

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 28, 2017, 04:13:00 PM
Bible Contradictions - by Category


I'm sure you believe that every one of those contadictions can be explained away, as merely my lack of understanding of "scripture" so don't bother. I just wanted you to see some of why we unbelievers don't believe in your Godbook.

I can show you several human error mistakes in scripture concerning numbers, dates, etc. Coping and recopy of copies makes for human error. But nothing of significant value has been altered in scripture.

Yes, I can show you the truth behind the lack of scriptural knowledge in these supposed contradictions also, I've seen and answered many of them. Most are very simple, some are more difficult and require a strong knowledge to find the truth. You will feel stupid when you see them! Or you may choose to blame the one who gave you this junk. At any rate, there are minor mistakes, but not in that list of contradictions you posted!


sdelsolray

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 03:13:36 PM
Where did the "soup" come from. Didn't that have to come into existence first?

Something cannot evolve from nothing. There had to be something in order to produce something, nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

Where did the something come from to evolve into something else? Who made that something?

Physics has no answer to this. Your claims are bogus.

Another strawman fallacy.  Creationist whore websites peddle this one frequently.  You should stop relying on them for your science education.

Sargon The Grape

Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 28, 2017, 12:28:38 PM
He was banned. Don't think too highly of yourself.
He was still posting in other threads when I wrote that. (Or I got my trolls mixed up again.)


Equal opportunity butt-stabber.
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kilodelta

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 04:05:20 PM
I beg to differ! When you say the Bible is a lie, fiction, and a fairy tale, the burden of proof lies with you.

This is a two-way street. What goes around comes around.

The Bible says the Earth was created 6,000 years ago by God. This is disprovable by radiometric dating showing 6,000 years is way off. Therefore, the God of the Bible is false. Easy peasy... until you start discarding parts of the Bible until there is nothing left other than "there is this god thing." "There is this God thing" is rather difficult to disprove.

How about if someone disproves Voltron? I'd like to see someone try... no one can do it!
Faith: pretending to know things you don't know

Heisreal

Quote from: sdelsolray on January 28, 2017, 04:33:08 PM
Another strawman fallacy.  Creationist whore websites peddle this one frequently.  You should stop relying on them for your science education.

Answer the question!!! Where did the matter come from that evolved into a living organism?

Is this to much for science to answer in all its vast knowledge?

The Bible has an answer to this question, where's yours?

fencerider

You can make the argument that god put the earth at the correct distance from the sun to support life.

You can equally argue that the earth naturally ended up in the orbit it is in and then life adjusted to the environment.

So which argument is more likely? While still lacking evidence of the first we have some support for the second. There are these things called extremophiles. Life forms that live in places science used to say was impossible like on rocks in the Artic and the high temperature corrosive zones on the edges of volcanoes on land and under the ocean.

The point is not that you can't bring any evidence. The point is that no one has brought evidence.
"Do you believe in god?", is not a proper English sentence. Unless you believe that, "Do you believe in apple?", is a proper English sentence.

Unbeliever

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 04:32:53 PM
I can show you several human error mistakes in scripture concerning numbers, dates, etc. Coping and recopy of copies makes for human error. But nothing of significant value has been altered in scripture.
So, you're saying that God wanted to communicate his eternal Truth to all mankind, but he wasn't powerful enough to have kept the text accurate, safe from such common human error? As time goes on, more and more of the Bible will have succumbed to such errors, such that eventually every single word of it will no longer be what the authors wrote.

According to 1Corinthians 14:33

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."

But the Bible is the most confusing document in the history of documents! If God wanted to tell us all about his Truth, he sure chose a confusing way to do it!


QuoteYes, I can show you the truth behind the lack of scriptural knowledge in these supposed contradictions also, I've seen and answered many of them. Most are very simple, some are more difficult and require a strong knowledge to find the truth. You will feel stupid when you see them! Or you may choose to blame the one who gave you this junk. At any rate, there are minor mistakes, but not in that list of contradictions you posted!

Oh, I feel very stupid all the time, because I know how ignorant I am - my ignorance overwhelms me. So I doubt your silly rationalizations of biblical error will make me feel any more so.
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Unbeliever

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 04:48:06 PM
The Bible has an answer to this question, where's yours?
A false answer is no answer at all.
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Heisreal

Quote from: fencerider on January 28, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
You can make the argument that god put the earth at the correct distance from the sun to support life.

You can equally argue that the earth naturally ended up in the orbit it is in and then life adjusted to the environment.

So which argument is more likely? While still lacking evidence of the first we have some support for the second. There are these things called extremophiles. Life forms that live in places science used to say was impossible like on rocks in the Artic and the high temperature corrosive zones on the edges of volcanoes on land and under the ocean.

The point is not that you can't bring any evidence. The point is that no one has brought evidence.

Hold on there! You placed life on an earth, in orbit, adjusting to the environment, without explaining where that life came from.

Where I went to school, that's not an argument! It's an incomplete statement. 

PickelledEggs

@Heisreal

Correct. It goes both ways.

Are you going to present your evidence for your claim or do I have to remove you for proselytizing and also possible trolling?

Heisreal

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 28, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
A false answer is no answer at all.

That's funny coming from someone who has no answer at all. At least I have a reasonable answer, even if you fail to understand.

sdelsolray

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 04:48:06 PM
Answer the question!!! Where did the matter come from that evolved into a living organism?
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I don't precisely know, and neither do you.

However, current scientific theory suggests that matter (i.e., hydrogen and some helium) was first formed about 300,000 years after the Big Bang.  Stellar evolution theory strongly suggests that other elements (those heavier than helium) form in a variety of ways, such as inside stars, as part of supernova explosions, merging of neutron stars, etc.  Of course these scientific explanations are based on empirical evidence and are falsifiable.

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 04:48:06 PM
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Is this to much for science to answer in all its vast knowledge?
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Science proves nothing.  It simply provides the best explanation for all available and relevant evidence.

Again, you should avoid those creationist whore websites if you want to learn anything about science.

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 04:48:06 PM
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The Bible has an answer to this question, where's yours?

Says you, Mr.  "I Believe in the Bible So I'm Special".

sdelsolray

Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 28, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
@Heisreal

Correct. It goes both ways.

Are you going to present your evidence for your claim or do I have to remove you for proselytizing and also possible trolling?


Please put him in Purgatory.  We need a new chew toy there.

Heisreal

Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 28, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
@Heisreal

Correct. It goes both ways.

Are you going to present your evidence for your claim or do I have to remove you for proselytizing and also possible trolling?

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Why don't you do one better and keep me around for the sake of learning. I have some more challenges to offer. It may be interesting for both of us.

Instead of taking me out of the game, be fair and learn how to take me down on a level playing field.

PickelledEggs

Quote from: Heisreal on January 28, 2017, 05:08:08 PM

Why don't you do one better and keep me around for the sake of learning. I have some more challenges to offer. It may be interesting for both of us.

Instead of taking me out of the game, be fair and learn how to take me down on a level playing field.
I would love to keep you around for the sake of understanding why you believe what you believe, but so far, you have proven yourself to be useless and unwilling to "teach us" about your "evidence".

[mod]All you've provided are empty claims. and since you show no signs of making the switch and providing even the slightest attempt of why you believe what you believe, you are going in to the troll bin. See you in purgatory.[/mod]