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aitm

I think trump saw a path....a broad path bathed in massive distrust that has been boiling for decades and finally was ready to blow. He played a Teddy Roosevelt albeit off the wall and extreme and the majority of white mainstream(uneducated) bought into it. I do not believe a person who has been as involved in massive business deals for 5 decades is nearly as racist or narrow as he has painted himself to be. His run was to play on the fear and distrust of the mainstream and I truly believe he was just as shocked when he won as HC was when losing. There was a catch to his voice on his "acceptance' speech that I think shows he just realized that the american people have given him the highest job in the world and maybe...just maybe,,be rather humbled by it. He is already showing signs of backing off of his rhetoric which will upset his followers and perhaps open a window for a bullet but it is possible he is actually a liberal in disguise...the ultimate con job.
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Mike Cl

Quote from: aitm on November 11, 2016, 08:12:58 PM
I think trump saw a path....a broad path bathed in massive distrust that has been boiling for decades and finally was ready to blow. He played a Teddy Roosevelt albeit off the wall and extreme and the majority of white mainstream(uneducated) bought into it. I do not believe a person who has been as involved in massive business deals for 5 decades is nearly as racist or narrow as he has painted himself to be. His run was to play on the fear and distrust of the mainstream and I truly believe he was just as shocked when he won as HC was when losing. There was a catch to his voice on his "acceptance' speech that I think shows he just realized that the american people have given him the highest job in the world and maybe...just maybe,,be rather humbled by it. He is already showing signs of backing off of his rhetoric which will upset his followers and perhaps open a window for a bullet but it is possible he is actually a liberal in disguise...the ultimate con job.
Well, aitm, I respect your views (most of the time) and I hope you are right with this assessment/guess.  I really, really do.  But I still have a very bad feeling about the next 4 yrs.
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drunkenshoe

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 11, 2016, 04:27:22 PM
Donald Trump has historically had a liberal leaning in past interviews. This wouldn't be the first time a politician's campaign was drastically different from their real beliefs, so let's see what the man does before we convict him.


Equal opportunity butt-stabber.

Really? Don't you see that is the most dangerous trait he has?
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

Quote from: widdershins on November 11, 2016, 02:58:20 PM
Really?  You think I don't have a stake in this?  You think we don't ALL have a stake in this?  I have a bisexual daughter who I very much want to grow up being who she is, not feeling like she has to hide her sexuality, not being shamed for it.  I'm middle class.  Do you think I don't know where the shots are going to be fired?  But what can I do about it RIGHT NOW?  Nothing.  Because no shots have actually been fired yet.  If I want democracy then I have to accept the democratic process, even when I don't agree with it, even when it scares me.

I wasn't thinking about you. I think your position is different because you do not live in the city -correct me if I am mistaken- where people rub against each other every day. I am a recluse too and I get that I am not in the same place with the most people where I live.

We actually do agree generally, but evaluate the initial reactions differently. You want a gentlemen's response to losing and I am saying Trump himself made it sure it wouldn't happen.

"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

I agree with aitm in pirnciple. SGOS wrote the same thing. Hijiri has a point too.

But I think that is the most dangerous trait he has. Because it means someone who did anything as low as possible to win doesn't matter how it conflicts with himself, will do anything to stay in power. And only for power. How is going to serve? He will say one thing and do another thing. Do one thing and say another thing. You won't see it coming.

Now, think about all this in post -Obama period, how much bitterness, desire of revenge rubes are feeling, also about the world political climate.
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Baruch

This is why I reject democracy ... with ape people, we can't ever have nice things ;-(
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Mike Cl

Quote from: Baruch on November 12, 2016, 05:54:30 AM
This is why I reject democracy ... with ape people, we can't ever have nice things ;-(
You can reject democracy all you want--it does not pertain to the US and never did.  The USA has always been a sort of republic.  The founders feared a democracy, hence the electoral collage.  Unless, of course, you are protesting the New England style town hall meetings.
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Baruch

Quote from: Mike Cl on November 12, 2016, 12:05:20 PM
You can reject democracy all you want--it does not pertain to the US and never did.  The USA has always been a sort of republic.  The founders feared a democracy, hence the electoral collage.  Unless, of course, you are protesting the New England style town hall meetings.

We aren't a republic either ... the early Romans may have been Mafia ... but at least they had standards ... "dignitas" and "gravitas" and "virtus".  America has none of that.  That is what happens when every free person is made a Roman citizen (212 CE).
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Cavebear

I will wait to see what Trump actually DOES!  Plenty of time to hate him more after that.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:31:07 AM
I will wait to see what Trump actually DOES!  Plenty of time to hate him more after that.

With his current rumored transition team and cabinet picks, it won't be long in coming.  Maybe then the liberal side of the non-voting public will realize that their non-vote mattered.
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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:31:07 AM
I will wait to see what Trump actually DOES!  Plenty of time to hate him more after that.
After the Eight of Hate I see no reason not to get started right away.
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Baruch

Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

AllPurposeAtheist

Protesters for the most part in this country tend to be pretty mild. A few people might break windows, even burn a few things, but few are willing to put their lives on the line. For now the protests are pretty harmless and accomplishing little, but if and a big if Trump goes completely off the rails that might all change especially if people are forced to face a scenario where they have absolutely nothing left to lose. Right now they still have plenty to lose. It's the breaking point between having something to lose and nothing to lose where  the rubber meets the road.
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widdershins

Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 12, 2016, 05:40:47 AM
I wasn't thinking about you. I think your position is different because you do not live in the city -correct me if I am mistaken- where people rub against each other every day. I am a recluse too and I get that I am not in the same place with the most people where I live.

We actually do agree generally, but evaluate the initial reactions differently. You want a gentlemen's response to losing and I am saying Trump himself made it sure it wouldn't happen.


That's mostly correct, I think (the part about what I "want").  Essentially what I am saying is that I did not accept this behavior from the right when Obama was first elected, it would be hypocritical for me to accept it now that it's the left doing it.

But it's interesting to note, he's already backing off much of what he said.  In a recent interview he said that gay marriage was "settled law", in stark contrast to his campaign propaganda of appointing a judge to run it back.  He also said that transgender people should use the restroom they feel most comfortable with.  This is not only in contrast with the platform he ran with, it's in contrast with the general Republican party.  There is a very real possibility that we may actually like him more than Republicans do as president.
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Shiranu

There was a2nd is a bit of a moral difference between disliking and protesting Trump because he ran a campaign of hate, and disliking and protesting Obamal because, in the most painfully blunt way, he is a Muslim Liberal nigger.

One of the two is at least slightly justifiable.
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