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A New Socrates

Started by Absurd Atheist, November 04, 2016, 12:54:59 AM

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Baruch

Quote from: Sal1981 on November 05, 2016, 10:48:25 PM
His name is Daniel Dennett.

Not particularly impressed ... John Searle is better ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on November 06, 2016, 01:49:21 AM
Socrates was one of the Greek mystics who considered information "dangerous" to the masses.  And he was basically a crazy.  I do not consider him good for human thought.  I prefer Eratosthenes.

Greatest ancient geographer ... but I do get your point about Socrates.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Absurd Atheist

I notice a lot of people listing off names, and others dismissing their suggestions with other suggestions. Since the world is so big and connected and as Baruch mentioned, loud, do you think there could be multiple "New Socrates" or has the world moved on from this type of discussion. The world is filled with a lot of vague and often misinterpreted ideals, I get the feeling any "New Socrates" would have a field day with modern civilization, I just can't see them being relevant.
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Absurd Atheist

Also considering that they killed the last Socrates, do you think we even need such a person today?
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Baruch

Quote from: Absurd Atheist on November 06, 2016, 01:22:22 PM
Also considering that they killed the last Socrates, do you think we even need such a person today?

If there hadn't been a Socrates, it would have been necessary to create him, only to kill him ;-)

Like any good joke, with Socrates, you would have had to have been there ... in 410 BCE Athens.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

aitm

The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

SGOS

I just gave aitm a like to piss him off.   :2thumbs:

Baruch

Quote from: aitm on November 06, 2016, 02:46:24 PM
The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.

Dogs bite, they don't slap. Arf arf!  But bad dogs don't love humans, they are rabid and bite everyone.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Sal1981

Quote from: Baruch on November 06, 2016, 06:41:47 AM
Not particularly impressed ... John Searle is better ;-)
Pffft. Dan is one of the Horsemen.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Sal1981



Quote from: aitm on November 06, 2016, 02:46:24 PM
The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.

Don't take away my only joy in life.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Eugeny Anatolievich

Maybe, we'd better remember old Socrates, re-read his questions and try to answer them by our own way? What is love, friendship, courage, beauty, wisdom, truth etc.?
I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle.

Baruch

In modern times, all those questions are answered for us by Oprah and Walmart ;-(
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Absurd Atheist

Quote from: Eugeny Anatolievich on November 07, 2016, 05:42:14 PM
Maybe, we'd better remember old Socrates, re-read his questions and try to answer them by our own way? What is love, friendship, courage, beauty, wisdom, truth etc.?

Excellent point. How would you define "beauty"?
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Cavebear

Quote from: aitm on November 06, 2016, 02:46:24 PM
The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.

I would say that at least some "likes" are honest and legitimate.  I would never give a "like" to gain favor or ingratiate myself.  An honest person simply never gives a "like" when they don't think one is deserved.  Some people do, though.  Sad.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Eugeny Anatolievich

Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2016, 06:36:42 PM
In modern times, all those questions are answered for us by Oprah and Walmart ;-(
In Russia, we have neither Oprah nor Walmart. So I don't know what they answered.
I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle.