Ethicists - Voting Your Heart is Immoral

[Shiranu]

2016: Mountains, Mole Hills, Feigned Controversy

All the cases against her are bullshit, really, and reflect poorly the character of people who buy them rather than hers.

Is she a out of touch socially politician who is almost the personification of what people dislike about politicians? Certainly. But unethical? No more than the average Joe in Washington, and certainly no more than any of her direct competition.

The only major difference between her and her opposition is her competence.

[PickelledEggs]

It was your standard of proof when I said that Hillary was unethical.

Hillary is unethical. So is most of the human race. Hillary is way more ethical than Trump, though. And she also knows how taxes work, unlike Gary Johnson. And she isn't a complete space cadet like Jill Stein.

So by passively letting a vote for Trump be unopposed, you are, in a way, unethical.

[Baruch]

Pickel ... so you have claimed.  But since you know neither personally, you are talking complete nonsense like every other partisan who posts here.

[Mike Cl]

I don't give a shit for ethics in politics; it does not exist.  So, I go with the candidate that seems to match up best with my thoughts.  But I do so knowing that no candidate will ever match up with much of what I think.  And all politicians are driven by what suits them best and gets them the 'most' of whatever it is they want.  In this chamber of horrors of an election, I must vote for HRC.  I have no other choice.

[PickelledEggs]

Pickel ... so you have claimed.  But since you know neither personally, you are talking complete nonsense like every other partisan who posts here.

Says the person that is....
well...
you.

[Baruch]

Says the person that is....
well...
you.

I wouldn't want to be anyone else ... same as you.  I don't know the candidates personally either, just how to be an agent provocateur ... same as you.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Hillary is unethical. So is most of the human race. Hillary is way more ethical than Trump, though. And she also knows how taxes work, unlike Gary Johnson. And she isn't a complete space cadet like Jill Stein.

So by passively letting a vote for Trump be unopposed, you are, in a way, unethical.

Eh, no.

It is the difference between a psychopath and a psychotic.

If you see someone go out of their way to kill a dog that is barking at them, there are three choices.  First, they are a police officer.  Second, they  are psychopathic.  Third, they are psychotic.  The second two options are actually different.

The psychopath has no morals at all, and kills the dog on the grounds that "it was annoying me so why not."  They psychotic is not connected to reality and could believe "the dog was casting an evil spell on me" or something equally absurd.

Any argument that the psychopath is better than the psychotic falls on deaf ears here, and any attempt to say "but if you don't vote for the psychopath then you are passively voting for the psychotic" is treated as the absurd trash that it is.

And Hillary's lack of ethics runs far deeper than that of a normal person or even a normal politician.

[FaithIsFilth]

2016: Mountains, Mole Hills, Feigned Controversy

All the cases against her are bullshit, really, and reflect poorly the character of people who buy them rather than hers.

Is she a out of touch socially politician who is almost the personification of what people dislike about politicians? Certainly. But unethical? No more than the average Joe in Washington, and certainly no more than any of her direct competition.

The only major difference between her and her opposition is her competence.

You have no issue with her cheating in debates and getting questions beforehand while her competition doesn't? What if Mitt Romney got the questions beforehand, giving him that extra edge over Obama who doesn't get the questions beforehand? That wouldn't even be worth bringing up? Would that be feigned controversy? Would people be idiots then for complaining about Romney cheating in the debates and taking advantage of a rigged system over the first black nominee in American history? Something tells me you would bring the cheating up, rather than just accepting it and considering anyone who takes issue with it to be an idiot.

[PickelledEggs]

They're both psychopaths. One is both psychotic and in addition to that, he's also a psychopath.

"And Hillary's lack of ethics runs far deeper than that of a normal person or even a normal politician."

and what is your alternative? Gary Johnson? someone that can barely name 1 foreign leader and doesn't understand how taxes work?
Or Jill Stein, psuedoscience extrodinaire?
Both of which will not be elected in any way shape or form? They will get, at most, 15% of the votes.
Or are you actually voting Trump?

[Shiranu]

You have no issue with her cheating in debates and getting questions beforehand while her competition doesn't? What if Mitt Romney got the questions beforehand, giving him that extra edge over Obama who doesn't get the questions beforehand? That wouldn't even be worth bringing up? Would that be feigned controversy? Would people be idiots then for complaining about Romney cheating in the debates and taking advantage of a rigged system over the first black nominee in American history? Something tells me you would bring the cheating up, rather than just accepting it and considering anyone who takes issue with it to be an idiot.

The best example is something she had nothing to do with.

Nice.

I can't help but think that you people act like politics is a gentleman's game have not had much political experience or paid much attention to it before.

Then again, I'm from LBJ's neck of the woods and go to the same university as him... so maybe it's just in our cultural DNA to value pragmatism and ruthlessness in politics.

[FaithIsFilth]

The best example is something she had nothing to do with.

Nice.

I can't help but think that you people act like politics is a gentleman's game have not had much political experience or paid much attention to it before.

Then again, I'm from LBJ's neck of the woods and go to the same university as him... so maybe it's just in our cultural DNA to value pragmatism and ruthlessness in politics.

She had nothing to do with? Does the same apply for cops who stand by their fellow officers after they shoot someone in the back running away? Hillary didn't try to prevent Donna Brazille from becoming DNC chair. Hillary has not called for Donna Brazille to be removed as DNC chair. She hired Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to her campaign after she had to step down as DNC chair for rigging it against Bernie. That wasn't the best example I could come up with either. There are countless other issues that have been brought up and I didn't really want to bore people and repeat the other stuff I've posted, so I went with something that I don't think has really been talked about on here yet. If rigged debates are fine, then what's the problem with a completely rigged election? May as well go all the way. Democracy is overrated anyways.

[Shiranu]

Because debates are borderline meaningless. How good you do doesn't effect much, it's not royally fucking up that matters. Rigging the debates would be making it where only one party has incriminating questions and "made to make you look stupid" ones, not having a leg up on what will be asked.

And I think you might understand that elections have a bit more relevance than debates, hence why you wouldn't go all the way. You drink alcohol? Well, just go do crack cocaine. You masturbate? Go have a gay orgy in Arabia.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

They're both psychopaths. One is both psychotic and in addition to that, he's also a psychopath.

"And Hillary's lack of ethics runs far deeper than that of a normal person or even a normal politician."

and what is your alternative? Gary Johnson? someone that can barely name 1 foreign leader and doesn't understand how taxes work?
Or Jill Stein, psuedoscience extrodinaire?
Both of which will not be elected in any way shape or form? They will get, at most, 15% of the votes.
Or are you actually voting Trump?

I am voting third party, so by your standard I'm voting Trump and by Republican standards I'm voting for Hillary.

[Shiranu]

My condolences.

[PickelledEggs]

No. By my standards, you're burying your head in the sand and refusing to weigh out which of the two front runners you is the better choice. You want cookies and candy and gummy bears for dinner, when they're actually only serving broccoli and brussel sprouts. You're lying to yourself about the menu.

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