Does anyone think they've committed the unpardonable sin that's mentioned in the bible?
It seems to be attributing Jesus's work to a demon.
Quote from: blue21 on June 28, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
Does anyone think they've committed the unpardonable sin that's mentioned in the bible?
It seems to be attributing Jesus's work to a demon.
I looked at a naked lady and didn't marry her. . :eek:
I farted in a lift once, with a child in a pram.
Quote from: Munch on June 28, 2015, 01:16:17 PM
I farted in a lift once, with a child in a pram.
Don't fart in the presence of God or ye shall burn in H E double dirty Q-tipsâ,,¢.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 28, 2015, 01:18:10 PM
Don't fart in the presence of God or ye shall burn in H E double dirty Q-tipsâ,,¢.
oh I need Q-tips actually, or as we brits call them Swabs.
Swabbing makes me think of pirates.
I feel like cooking fish fingers tonight.
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Where am I again?
What is sin?
I played an Ubisoft game once. Heroes of Might and Magic V. The game itself wasn't bad, but the affiliation really made it feel wrong. Dirty. Unnatural.
Quote from: Johan on June 28, 2015, 01:38:39 PM
What is sin?
A big ass boss from final fantasy 10.
Quote from: blue21 on June 28, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
It seems to be attributing Jesus's work to a demon.
Anyone who claimed to do half the stuff Jesus did in modern day would be on a federal watch list and/or locked up in a mental institution and within a few years would become the "ripped from the headlines" inspiration for a Law & Order episode.
So did I just commit this unpardonable sin by saying so?
We can make this interesting. I just googled unpardonable sin, heres what I got.
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Giving a serious answer ... no.
The unpardonable sin is rejecting the Holy Ghost. You can reject the Father and the Son all you want .... but not the Holy Ghost. So basically ... the Church as been committing this since forever, except for the Pentecostals and the Charismatics ... who are a 20th century revival, inspired by Black Christianity both in the US and in Africa. I am a charismatic Jew ... like Jesus. Jesus probably won't come back though ... it was a bad trip last time!
Quote from: Baruch on June 28, 2015, 02:46:08 PM
Giving a serious answer ... no.
The unpardonable sin is rejecting the Holy Ghost. You can reject the Father and the Son all you want .... but not the Holy Ghost.
If that's the case, yeah. I commit that unpardonable sin every day.
I also wear mixed fabrics, have direction over men in my profession, and I even committed sex acts before I got married! Yeah, I am pretty much gonna burn for all eternity.
Quote from: Mermaid on June 28, 2015, 02:51:11 PM
If that's the case, yeah. I commit that unpardonable sin every day.
I also wear mixed fabrics, have direction over men in my profession, and I even committed sex acts before I got married! Yeah, I am pretty much gonna burn for all eternity.
I've done most of that. Also I did some volunteer work on sunday, and, well I'm gay so me being born is an unpardonable sin apparently, but thats ok because I got a think for big buff demons.
Quote from: Johan on June 28, 2015, 01:38:39 PM
What is sin?
It's wearing white pants after labor day, using a 1945 port in pan sauce for a pot roast, and mixing your peas and mashed potatoes together. That sort of stuff.
Jesus was being liberal ... give they guy a break off the cross already ;-) In a legalistic system like rabbinic Judaism, basically everything you do is a violation ... but I have the sneaky suspicion that is by design. That is why there are 250 million laws in the US ... so you feel guilty and are guilty ... so the cops and courts can jerk around anyone they want to.
Quote from: blue21 on June 28, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
Does anyone think they've committed the unpardonable sin that's mentioned in the bible?
It seems to be attributing Jesus's work to a demon.
meh, god condoned murdering babies and raping little girls, I am not to concerned about sinning, hell I can't even take a free candy bar….
Quote from: Baruch on June 28, 2015, 02:46:08 PM
Giving a serious answer ... no.
The unpardonable sin is rejecting the Holy Ghost. You can reject the Father and the Son all you want .... but not the Holy Ghost.
That is how I understand it. Isn't suicide another? A lot of Christians seem to think so.
Quote from: blue21 on June 28, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
Does anyone think they've committed the unpardonable sin that's mentioned in the bible?
It seems to be attributing Jesus's work to a demon.
From what I've read, most Christians nowadays believe that a person who "believes" they've committed an unpardonable sin hasn't actually done so, because they seek repentance.
Assuming an omnipotent, omniscient god, all sin is god's responsibility anyway.
Quote from: Ace101 on June 28, 2015, 04:40:53 PM
From what I've read, most Christians nowadays believe that a person who "believes" they've committed an unpardonable sin hasn't actually done so, because they seek repentance.
Depends on the denomination. Many Christians see all sins as equal in the eyes of the Lord, and have different ways for atoning for them. A Baptist would just have to personally ask forgiveness on their own time, whereas a Catholic actually has to go in person and ask a priest for forgiveness. A lot of non-denoms would just say the answer is to accept Jesus into your heart and hope for the best. So even among Christianity, it varies.
Asking a bunch of atheists if they sin is kind of like asking a mormon to recommend the best brand of lox to go with a bagel.
GSOgymrat ... Christians consider suicide to be murder. And if you kill someone else, you have a chance to repent ... but not if you kill yourself. So it becomes unpardonable at least by narrowly logical people. Assuming G-d is omnipotent ... then nothing is unforgivable in principle. And yes, probably in context, saying that Jesus was doing demonic things ... was a sin against the Holy Spirit, rather than sinning against the Son ... because how can good things be evil.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 28, 2015, 01:08:07 PM
I looked at a naked lady and didn't marry her. . :eek:
I take it that you did this 2,000 years before you were born.
Quote from: blue21 on June 28, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
Does anyone think they've committed the unpardonable sin that's mentioned in the bible?
I don't see the point, but anyways: I reject the Holy Ghost.
See ya'll fuckers in Hell.
Most people don't realize it ... but most languages are gendered. The Holy Ghost in both Hebrew and Greek is female .. basically G-d's daughter. Can't say I could reject G-d's daughter, but that is just the way I am wired ;-) The Shekhinah/Hokhmah or Presence/Wisdom is also female in both Hebrew and Greek. G-d's wife.
Quote from: Munch on June 28, 2015, 01:16:17 PM
I farted in a lift once, with a child in a pram.
That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. You basically did the kid a favor.
All hail GSO
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 30, 2015, 12:34:33 AM
All hail GSO
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 30, 2015, 12:34:33 AM
All hail GSO
:dance: :madu:(http://i.imgur.com/qsTjI4E.png)
Thank you, my godless minions!
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Let's not forget the three Unforgivable Curses.
It is as Baruch said, best interpreted as rejection of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not here to teach of Himself, rather teach us about Jesus. So the unpardonable sin is rejecting Jesus.
Then, since Jesus and the Holy Spirit is God in different forms. The unpardonable sin is ultimately rejection of God.
Rejection of God is a build up. It is never instant like with the angels. Our yes is yesish and no, noish. None of us that are alive right now are truly evil in His eyes. None of us alive right now have fully rejected Him. God still has hope for all of us.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 28, 2015, 04:35:31 PM
That is how I understand it. Isn't suicide another? A lot of Christians seem to think so.
I would like to hear their argument. The best I can imagine is that murder is a mortal sin and no murderers will be in heaven.
But it is easily debunkable. Someone who murders is not necessarily a murderer. The plural 'er' implies continuing in it and unrepentant. I would agree that it is a mortal sin. But nowhere near the unpardonable sin.
I think I did, I fucked a lesbian and fell in love with her, and have been in hell for thirty years with a broken heart. Who the fuck came up with this idea of sin? Some prudish male camel jockey that hated women perhaps?
Quote from: KingJ on July 01, 2015, 08:59:34 AM
I would like to hear their argument. The best I can imagine is that murder is a mortal sin and no murderers will be in heaven.
But it is easily debunkable. Someone who murders is not necessarily a murderer. The plural 'er' implies continuing in it and unrepentant. I would agree that it is a mortal sin. But nowhere near the unpardonable sin.
I just hear from Christians they don't want to commit suicide because they fear they will not see their loved ones in heaven.
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:wtff: That is ridiculous because it is a contradiction in terms. By definition a murderer is someone who murders. A contradiction in logic cannot be true. It doesn't make any difference how many times murder is committed to make it a murder. It may make it a sin to do it more than once, but I would think it is a sin the first time it is done and not justified. Please take a course in logic and critical thinking, so you don't keep showing everyone here how bad, or neurotic, your thinking is!
Quote from: Solitary on July 01, 2015, 09:58:02 AM
Quote[Someone who murders is not necessarily a murderer./quote]
:wtff: That is ridiculous because it is a contradiction in terms. By definition a murderer is someone who murders. A contradiction in logic cannot be true. It doesn't make any difference how many times murder is committed to make it a murder. It may make it a sin to do it more than once, but I would think it is a sin the first time it is done and not justified. Please take a course in logic and critical thinking, so you don't keep showing everyone here how bad, or neurotic, your thinking is!
You have simply taken my words out of context. It is like me quoting you saying ''It doesn't make any difference how many times murder is committed''.....and then typing a few lines proving to you why it does matter.
The context of the verse from Paul quoted has to do with us dying in a state of evil. Having a heart 'sold out' to the sin.
''Someone who murders is not necessarily a murderer'' = A child who kills her rapist is not sold out to murder. Oscar Pretorious is ''likely'' not sold out to murder for his one. A serial killer who repents truthfully is no longer a murderer. Like I said Paul ensured he made it plural for a reason. He did not say you murdered and will not be in heaven. He said you are a murderer / you are murdering.
Are you really so dense you don't understand that self defense or justified homicide, is not murder? I did not take it out of context, you have by not understanding the difference between murder and justified homicide which is not murder. How old are you?
QuoteIt is like me quoting you saying ''It doesn't make any difference how many times murder is committed''.....and then typing a few lines proving to you why it does matter.
My God, how can you not see if you did that it would show I was wrong if you proved it. Your quoting the Buybull is not evidence or proof. Can you even think for yourself? You are pathetic if you are an adult, and if you aren't then you are misinformed by religious bull shit! Why did you even come her? You are not preaching to the choir here, and most of us here know Scripture better than even clergy, because we don't pick and choose and never skip like they do in Buybull classes.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 29, 2015, 11:28:28 PM
That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. You basically did the kid a favor.
That's such drivel.. Taking a leak in the shower won't kill you either, but you never hear about pissing in the shower in workout videos. .
Quote from: Solitary on July 01, 2015, 02:21:22 PM
because we don't pick and choose and never skip like they do in Buybull classes.
That is not where the evidence is pointing.
Quote from: blue21 on June 28, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
Does anyone think they've committed the unpardonable sin that's mentioned in the bible?
It seems to be attributing Jesus's work to a demon.
I thought the unpardonable sin was blasphemy against the holy ghost?
The church has been suppressing the holy ghost for 2000 years now. Part of the reason for creating bishops, was to shut that holy spirit stuff off. Gas leaks are dangerous.
it is simple to be forgiven in christiany.
you go to a church and beg pardon from a priest.
thou shall not kill?
Having pineapple chunks on pizza..
That is an abomination in the eyes of the lord.
Pineapple and ham on pizza is OK. But not anchovies. I transgress ... because I love anchovies on pizza. Anybody want to join me?
Quote from: Baruch on July 12, 2015, 08:02:22 AM
Pineapple and ham on pizza is OK. But not anchovies. I transgress ... because I love anchovies on pizza. Anybody want to join me?
I want an all ham pizza served to me in a mosque.
I made the unpardonable sin when I was born. :eek:
Quote from: Baruch on July 12, 2015, 08:02:22 AM
Pineapple and ham on pizza is OK. But not anchovies.
No. No no no. No it is not ok. That is not ok.
I love pineapple on pizza!
It's morally wrong.
I don't care!
Munch ... ham pizza with cheese ... brought by a sleigh drawn by huskies. Mixing red meat and milk products? Also bad. Dogs are profane in Islam also. See, I believe we are supposed to transgress, like Adam and Eve (and Lilith also) ... just don't do this if you are underage, unless under the supervision of an evil adult .... that is how my Dad taught me to eat pizza with anchovies .. yum! But in kosher law, fish doesn't count as meat, so you can eat fish with milk products. The McDonalds fish sandwich, has cheese on it ... I call it a Jew burger. Though it is cheating, because the American cheese on it, isn't very cheesy is it?