This is how I see it. Ranting only causes a hardening of positions. If you are Atheist, taking strong positions against the religious only hardens their positions. And this is why they come back after us. The result is that we sever the lines of communication and viewpoints become ever more polarized as we see today. So clearly being more rational than the religious mind, what can we do to try to resolve this?
We should demand they read their babble to their kids every night and not miss a single verse. That should add about 250,000 atheists to the party.
Quote from: aitm on April 30, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
We should demand they read their babble to their kids every night and not miss a single verse. That should add about 250,000 atheists to the party.
Nope.. they already do that.
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Nope.. they already do that.
I think you misunderstand. Christians read a broken down, cherry picked version of the bible to their kids. They don't read a full bloody, cruel and inconsistent mess the book and its stories has.
Also, I think it could two ways, either you would open people up to realizing how fucking stupid there holy book is, or your would breed young psychotic minds into the children who think now its okay to rape and cut up women, that its okay to kill people because god will tell them to stop if its wrong, or that owning slaves is acceptable.
You've started almost the exact same thread 3 times, we get it.
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Nope.. they already do that.
then not only are you deluded, but your list of "friends" is very narrow. I know of no one among my christian friends who read the babble to their kids, they, like my parents, send them to sunday school to be spoon fed all the nice stuff..the bunny rabbits and flowers stuff.
Quote from: Munch on April 30, 2015, 06:08:05 PM
I think you misunderstand. Christians read a broken down, cherry picked version of the bible to their kids. They don't read a full bloody, cruel and inconsistent mess the book and its stories has.
Also, I think it could two ways, either you would open people up to realizing how fucking stupid there holy book is, or your would breed young psychotic minds into the children who think now its okay to rape and cut up women, that its okay to kill people because god will tell them to stop if its wrong, or that owning slaves is acceptable.
Then this is probably not a very good idea.
Quote from: aitm on April 30, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
then not only are you deluded, but your list of "friends" is very narrow. I know of no one among my christian friends who read the babble to their kids, they, like my parents, send them to sunday school to be spoon fed all the nice stuff..the bunny rabbits and flowers stuff.
Oh, I get it. But considering all the stuff the kids have already been exposed to they would probably go to sleep. Maybe we need another movie but this time it needs to be based more on what really happened.
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 06:34:53 PM
Oh, I get it. But considering all the stuff the kids have already been exposed to they would probably go to sleep. Maybe we need another movie but this time it needs to be based more on what really happened.
That's just it, Giveme, nothing in the bible really happened. So, how can you have a movie about what really happened in the bible, when the bible is almost completely fiction? Shall we have a movie about the real life and times of the Toothfairy? Or the Invisible Pink Unicorn?? It would be as accurate as one based on the bible. Have you read the bible--any of it? If you have, what in that book do you think is real?????
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 30, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
That's just it, Giveme, nothing in the bible really happened. So, how can you have a movie about what really happened in the bible, when the bible is almost completely fiction? Shall we have a movie about the real life and times of the Toothfairy? Or the Invisible Pink Unicorn?? It would be as accurate as one based on the bible. Have you read the bible--any of it? If you have, what in that book do you think is real?????
I really couldn't care less. I was suggesting a movie based on what it literally really says. And I was thinking of making the fundamentalists watch it since they love to refer to the Bible as literal truth.
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 06:34:53 PM
Oh, I get it. But considering all the stuff the kids have already been exposed to they would probably go to sleep. Maybe we need another movie but this time it needs to be based more on what really happened.
As most of the atheists I know became such after reading the babble, my suggestion is easier, simply ask them all to read the babble to their kids every night and don't skip the nasty parts.
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 07:06:56 PM
I really couldn't care less. I was suggesting a movie based on what it literally really says. And I was thinking of making the fundamentalists watch it since they love to refer to the Bible as literal truth.
You really don't want to discuss anything do you? Ah....................fuck it!
:popcorn:
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
This is how I see it. Ranting only causes a hardening of positions. If you are Atheist, taking strong positions against the religious only hardens their positions. And this is why they come back after us. The result is that we sever the lines of communication and viewpoints become ever more polarized as we see today. So clearly being more rational than the religious mind, what can we do to try to resolve this?
Only if your knocking door to door and ramming it down people's throats. Other wise if they bring it be prepared to have it dished right back out.
The only thing that will abolish religion is education lots and lots of education. That and maybe they should teach critical thinking in school.
Quote from: doorknob on April 30, 2015, 09:05:57 PM
Only if your knocking door to door and ramming it down people's throats. Other wise if they bring it be prepared% to have it dished right back out.
The only thing that will abolish religion is education lots and lots of education. That and maybe they should teach critical thinking in school.
You are right on about education. Which is why they engage in home schooling, parochial schools, private religious schools and are trying to invade classrooms with their creationist crap. They realize they are slowly losing so they are setting up their last ditch efforts. So the question is what would hasten their demise. And I don't think the idea is to destroy it but rather to help it evolve into something more palatable. And we have a dire need to teach more critical thinking skills considering some of the people I have encountered. Maybe we need to focus on rational thinking.
Oh no! Big Brother is going to watch us now? :butt: :police: :borg: :biggrin2:
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I know, stromboli... I watching :lol:
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This sounds exciting! What are we watching? :popcorn:
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 10:26:34 PM
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I know, stromboli... I watching :lol:
This sounds exciting! What are we watching? :popcorn:
You.
Quote from: aitm on April 30, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
We should demand they read their babble to their kids every night and not miss a single verse. That should add about 250,000 atheists to the party.
Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Nope.. they already do that.
Actually they don't, they read select passages to the kids, then they tell the kids what they want that passage to mean, which is likely what their preacher has told them they mean.
Most christians want to prove their views, and they will search their babble until they find something that matches that goal. Every week the sit and listen to a preacher cherry pick passages and assemble them into whatever he wants them to. The babble is like a dictionary, the words and passages are there, they only need to be assembled in the correct order, much like many people use a dictionary.
Feed on me
You know I’m never far
Feed off me
Like a vulture on a deer hit by a car
I can only do so much
And of course it’s never enough
I don’t think that you see
Exactly what you’re doing to me
Don’t speak
Don’t speak
Give me a reason to turn and run
Give me a reason to burn this house down
Give me a reason I wish you would
I wish you would
Wish you would
Give me a reason for disaster
And I’ll be happy ever after
Give me a reason I wish you would
I wish you would
Wish you would
So you've tried your best
To get out of this mess
But that’s just a joke
You’ve never awoke
To the sound of a mother screaming at night
Don’t speak
Don’t speak
Give me a reason to turn and run
Give me a reason to burn this house down
Give me a reason I wish you would
I wish you would
Wish you would
Give me a reason for disaster
And I’ll be happy ever after
Give me a reason I wish you would
I'd wish you would
Wish you would
I wish you would
Wish you would
Wish you would
Wish you would
Wish you would
Give me a reason to turn and run
Give me a reason to burn this house down
Give me a reason I wish you would
I wish you would
Wish you would
Give me a reason for disaster
And I’ll be happy ever after
Give me a reason to turn and run
I wish you would
I wish you would leave!
Quote from: Feral Atheist on April 30, 2015, 10:35:50 PM
Actually they don't, they read select passages to the kids, then they tell the kids what they want that passage to mean, which is likely what their preacher has told them they mean.
Most christians want to prove their views, and they will search their babble until they find something that matches that goal. Every week the sit and listen to a preacher cherry pick passages and assemble them into whatever he wants them to. The babble is like a dictionary, the words and passages are there, they only need to be assembled in the correct order, much like many people use a dictionary.
Yes, I did not give much serious thought in my answer since I did not take the response very seriously. Obviously we can't force feed christians to reinterpret their bible.
Quote from: Solitary on April 30, 2015, 10:41:12 PM
I wish you would leave!
I am not sure why you feel that way. Sometimes I need things spelled out for me.
I doubt very much you would understand and respond with a provocative and rhetorical question as you have done so far at this forum. Solitary
I'm still trying to work this out, either givemeareason is
A: A troll
B: A very confused atheist
C: Someone who has been deeply religious for a long time but only now declares himself atheist, even though he still clings to religious dogma.