Thoughts on the Existence of the Universe

[Sargon The Grape]

The Jews couldn't comprehend Genesis, "Let US make man in OUR image." But after the Messiah came this REVELATION was revealed.

Maybe the Jews didn't, but the early Hebrews comprehended just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg

[LittleNipper]

More crackpot theory... however this crackpot theory has been around for quite a while. Someone needs to push the refresh button...

And cyberspace along with gaming and texting is the "real" world? Now that's something to ponder...............

[Mr.Obvious]

But the reality is that Satan and not God is in charge of the earth. Adam was the key giving Satan control. Everyone not saved is in Satan's power and gives him power over what happens on this planet. This will only end when Satan loses the final battle and then he and everyone he possesses will be thrown into the Lake of Fire eternally.

Then and only then will God totally destroy this universe and create a new one. All those who were saved will reside there under Him. You cannot blame GOD for Satan's manipulations. God is waiting until the last person whom He foreknew accepts Christ/Messiah as his personal Savior. Then GOD will react but not before. In the interim, God sill performs miracle, but He must listen to the taunts of Satan the one who always hated man and God's sacrificial love for man.

You know, I already mentioned this in either this thread or the other one you frequent. But if this supposed God is the almighty creator of everything, and all-knowing and all-powerfull, then the existence of Satan, were he real, would be planned and so desired by God. The entire creation, including Satan, would be a chosen and controlled environment.

So actually, yes, we would be able to blame God for Satan's manipulations. The big guy in this scenario would've created him to do exactly those manipulations he does.

[josephpalazzo]

And cyberspace along with gaming and texting is the "real" world? Now that's something to ponder...............

It's a form of communication, and like any other technology, it can be used for different purposes. I don't see why you're fussing about considering that you're using it to spread your crackpot theory.

[SGOS]

But the reality is that Satan and not God is in charge of the earth.

Congratulations!  I've never heard that particular spin before.  Usually, when Christians come here to debate, it's just the same old recycled and worn out claims that have been debunked a thousand times.  But although this is just another thing pulled out of someone's ass, it's at least different, and that in itself almost seems refreshing by comparison.

Adam was the key giving Satan control. Everyone not saved is in Satan's power and gives him power over what happens on this planet. This will only end when Satan loses the final battle and then he and everyone he possesses will be thrown into the Lake of Fire eternally.

Holy Shit!  I'm seeing a movie script in the making.  Think, "Batman Vs Superman."  Will it be fought with advanced technology, old fashion hand to hand, or by casting spells and uttering incantations?  How would two uber gods do it?  The casting of spells would be the most realistic and dramatic.  Maybe a few angels blowing trumpets could signal the beginning of the event.  I propose a 7 game series played in major cities, with the final showdown in Cut Bank, Montana.

[Baruch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPfFx9JTQl8

The first four minutes of the second half of the previous posted ... is where my theism is centered.  However I don't go on from there to promote the Greek materialism.

[Blackleaf]

But the reality is that Satan and not God is in charge of the earth. Adam was the key giving Satan control. Everyone not saved is in Satan's power and gives him power over what happens on this planet. This will only end when Satan loses the final battle and then he and everyone he possesses will be thrown into the Lake of Fire eternally.

Then and only then will God totally destroy this universe and create a new one. All those who were saved will reside there under Him. You cannot blame GOD for Satan's manipulations. God is waiting until the last person whom He foreknew accepts Christ/Messiah as his personal Savior. Then GOD will react but not before. In the interim, God sill performs miracle, but He must listen to the taunts of Satan the one who always hated man and God's sacrificial love for man.

I thought you said that GOD is LORD OF ALL.

[Mike Cl]

Wow.  You're really off in your own little world, aren't ya?  Not judging, I do that sometimes with good literature, too.  But I keep in mind that it's not the same thing as reality.  This whole religion thing looks an awful lot like imagination taken too far and becoming psychosis.

Well, I am judging.  He is a fanatical christian that is so far gone into his world of fantasy that he has no hope of ever becoming sane.  Saying he is an idiot is to put down idiots.  He has no redeeming qualities that I can see.  So, I make the judgement that he will go to his grave living in his fanciful, fictional, delusional little world.  He is here only to preach because of some pressure he feels to be here.

[LittleNipper]

I thought you said that GOD is LORD OF ALL.

God knows the how the final act will play out.

[Mike Cl]

God knows the how the final act will play out.

And so does the Tooth Fairy.

[Baruch]

God knows the how the final act will play out.

But you and I are not G-d, so we don't know anything useful about that.  That and ... you never admitted that you don't know what "Word" means in context, because you are limited to the English language and simple definitions of words.

[Blackleaf]

God knows the how the final act will play out.

And you believe that this "final act" will somehow justify the billions of people who, according to your beliefs, will burn in Hell for all of eternity?

[LittleNipper]

Well, I am judging.  He is a fanatical christian that is so far gone into his world of fantasy that he has no hope of ever becoming sane.  Saying he is an idiot is to put down idiots.  He has no redeeming qualities that I can see.  So, I make the judgement that he will go to his grave living in his fanciful, fictional, delusional little world.  He is here only to preach because of some pressure he feels to be here.

And again, for an individual who has no proof of how life originated on this planet, and cannot create biological life from water and minerals, you seem to be far more at a disadvantage in the realm of provable reality. I'll say this for you, you certainly know how to throw insults, but not much else. I guess you feel pressure to prove there is no God so that you have nothing to feel ashamed about...

[LittleNipper]

And you believe that this "final act" will somehow justify the billions of people who, according to your beliefs, will burn in Hell for all of eternity?

People go to hell not because GOD wants them to go there. They go because they, like yourself, they have no wish to seek GOD. And frankly I have no way of knowing how many people end up in hell. That is between them and GOD. But if one excludes GOD, one cannot blame GOD for a lack of freedom of choice.

[Baruch]

In my metaphysics, potentiality is limited, but what becomes actual is always a particular set of what was previously potential.  For me, potentiality (and hence the cognate word omni-potence) creates a transcendent view that allows for possibilities beyond the literal.  But that is not to say that anything is possible ... just that what is possible could have happened or still could happen.  I choose to personify this potentiality, because I am not a reductionist.  For me, atoms are the creation of the human mind, the human mind is not the creation of atoms.