Half Of Muslims Are Inbred Due To Generations Of Incest

[drunkenshoe]

*First thing, the low IQ and terrorism.

Terrorism is an act of highly planned-organised violence; killing and harming people in highly vigilant and protected societies and any terrorist organisation needs capable, intelligent people to train and direct them in secret, maintain an organisation with all members and its needs:

-research, gaining information of any kind; careful planning, game theory in general
-extreme vigilance and resourcefullness in individual and group scale; harmony, team work
-financial support (highly likely they need to commit other big scale crimes like any kind of trafficking (from human to drugs, weapons, chemicals...etc. AGAIN, this only adds to the needed vigilance and attention to the work executed and planning)
-other ways of financial support also come from possible interaction with other world powers; states, allies; AGAIN skills of bargaining in big scale, being capable of seeing moves ahead, planning, political game theory
-technical, weaponry (which includes making bombs by themselves, communication and usage of technology)
-interacting with civilians, survival under cover and extreme pressure (this is very important, fundamentalists are not type of people who can live in the open. They take attention to themselves and they need to act in certain professional excruciating manners; requires many skills and high resourcefullness, disguise in every scale)


All these things -I am sure we can add more- require ABOVE AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE, not genetic stupidity. Illegal organisations of any kind, esp. a one that survived this long, needs to operate under extreme circumstances to commit mass murder in the open -that is the whole point- while every armed authority, power zone is hyper vigilant against them NEEDS to act very precisely, in  calculated, planned intelligent moves. No room for a mistake. So, if you are a low IQ member of the said community, you are highly likely to be left behind and infact not taken in to consideration, because you are a liability and a dangerous burden, doesn't matter how much willing you are. Suicide bombers do not need to be low IQ people as kamikaze fighters were not. Same idea. Blind loyalty is enough. Comes easily with human nature, without any extra element.

So as a conclusion, whatever the average IQ of the general muslim population of the world is, the stupid ones are needed to be left behind. 9/11 is not a job for morons, neither mass shootings and bombing in hyper vigilant society capitals with high technology survelliance and alarmed military protection.

If they mean, the low IQ as in the acceptance of the act of terrorism AS MASS MURDER, that is even more stupid, because that is equivelant to say something like "there is a universal morality and comes to good, clever people from god"... LOL 


**Secondly, the article jumps from the muslims living in Europe -which they can track and also makes sense as much as the idea goes, because they are a minority- to the exact genealogy of muslim population in certain countries in the Middle East, while those countries cannot keep track at its own population, let alone their genealogy.

Take Pakistan. Guys, Pakistan's population is 182 millions. It's not a village that people would need to look for their cousins first to get married asap. For a population of 182 million to be 70 % inbred by incest or first cousins, you need this to be a RULE, not some tradition allows you to do that. Muhammed is not as effective as you people think. Westerners do this mistake a lot. Get your head out of the social media muslim propaganda. It's not valid sample. Ther eis no standard to religions. Esp. one that its population is measured in billions.



***Thirdly, the article perfectly fails the obvious reasons and causes underlying the Islamic -or any kind of- terrorism. Islamic terrorism is not different than any other, it is consisted of organised groups of people who refuse to obey the authority of the other cultures that defined it as opposite and attached to the same Abrahamic tradition WHICH are defined as the world powers. They are NOT extra violent and murderous than other people. They are violently killing, because mass murder is the only thing that threatens order and that is the basic definition of terrorism.

Like IRA in England in the past or PKK today in Turkiye. There is no such thing is peaceful protest. Civilisation has always been like this. We just define the act according to our situation. There is a power and the side happy with that power, there is a side that it is NOt and it strikes back. They are organised and striking back. They are not different than the US and Allies' army invading here and there. They just don't/can't hide their atrocities.



**** Also another red flag (funny one) in the article is the statement of amount of books translated into Arabic. Only 12-13 % of the muslim population of the world is Arabic. What is the influence of the translated Western books into Arabic have an effect on general IQ of muslims ffs. It's the typical American aspect of  Muslims=Arabs=Terrorists. Actually this gives a very good information about the scope of the so called reseacrh and the frame of mind of the people who made the interpretion and put this together. Especially, considering a very big majority American audience of this media  has no idea who is arab who is persian or who is turkish and what language they speak.

About 7 out 10 Turks has not a read a book, (source, method?) that I would agree in general. But the question is which books? I am sure it will surprise you, but there is a written culture of its own in here good or bad. If they are being accused of not reading certain books of western tradition, may be westerners first should consider not impose their own culture down to another and accept the people of that culture 'failed and dumb' just because they do not want to adopt to their own.

And Nobel Prize winners? Give me a break. We are talking about a region that people cannot find a place to live without getting killed that is under some sort of turmoil in modern period forever, has gone through countless invasions and mess, BUT they have the least nobel prizes JUST because they are genetically stupid. PFFFT. My ass.

Nobel prize winning is not determined by the general IQ of a population. It's determined by a written culture, the long coming scientific tradition, resources...etc.

Let me remind you that Europe gave itself one to maintaining its economic integrity to an OK standard, to a black man for being elected as the president of the United States; winning a political game in the right time-right place and to a very bad Turkish writer for saying the lines "a million and a half Armenians were killed in Ottoman Empire." And failed to give a lot of people who actually deserved it since the begining of the 20th century. Start with Levitt and go on many other people who didn't fit the race, nation or gender bill to be considered. It's practically a more sophisticated Eurovision, with lack of bad music and better award options. Some time in the past may be it had some real value and I am sure Alfred Nobel didn't imagine this. Well, sad.


*****The funny thing is, this article reveals the problematic understanding of the IQ concept more than its so called aim of explainning an aspect of Islamic terrorism, the IQ industry as what it has become and the Western identity it was built on.

What is this objective (!) IQ test -beyond the ironic stupidity of trying to quantify intelligence- that Western people gets high scores, but Africans and Middle Easterners fail? None. The IQ tests are converted to other languages from western standards which are designed for westerners. And don't give me the bullshit of math is universal. We are not mathematicians, test do not measure that. The IQ test math questions require a certain knowledge and thinking we learn in schools -which has been based on western curriculum since the standardisation period after French Revolution- and the rest is based on the tradition of written culture which is developed, standardised and measured by the Western culture(s). The spatial thinking, perception of shapes and puzzles... what we gain as a kid with education at home or in nursery; same source; same process. And with this overgrown, distorted industry, the consciousness of scoring high in an IQ tests PLAYS more role in to the result than the actual capacity of the individual. And it has become a harmful industry long ago. It's first about social conditioning and identity. It's a fucking social class.



The article is a typical West jerking West off bullshit. There are countless reasons, causes for motivation for these people and hundreds of WHITE EUROPEAN BORN people (yeah a group usually skipped by our western friends) to join these terrorist groups to create violence and mass murder. Low IQ is the least of them, as well as the general psycopathy and mental illness. A literaly stupid person or a psychopath, or a mentally ill person is harmful, a liability to any terrorist organisation in our time of  high surveillance technology and resources states and governments have. Stupid is for the obvious reasons, psychopaths for being uncontrollable and also not being able adopt into a team work. Mentally ill is not reliable and highly the least adjustable people. Opposite of the profile of soldiers these groups need.

Terrorists are ordinary, healthy, possibly intelligent to highly intelligent people who want to fuck up with the city hall. Simple as this. They perfectly know what they are doing. Otherwise they wouldn't succeed, adapt and regroup and accomplish storm attacks. And the point of capitalist-political net the human civilisation arrived is a heaven for them to thrive and nurture themselves as its very traits are also their beloved mother. And they have a function. They provide profit and benefit. So this is not going to end as long as the circumstances that created them are still present. It will get handed to some other ideology and outlive Islam.

[SGOS]

If they keep official records of marriages in Muslim countries, it should be easy enough to determine the level of inbreeding.  And no Muslim would be expected to answer the question, "Do you engage in incest?"  The word "incest" in the title seems superfluous and inflammatory to the discussion.  It should be in the public record.  If you marry 1st cousins, you are inbreeding by definition.

The second claim that seems to have come under fire in this thread, is whether or not inbreeding actually does cause genetic abnormalities.  I don't know if the taboo on incest is based on actual data, or religious indoctrination that instigated a questionable belief that "science has data" showing inbreeding results in a negative.  What I have been told, correctly or incorrectly, is that the effects of inbreeding are not immediate.  The first prince who married his sister may not have spawned a nit wit, but that generation by generation, the effects of inbreeding are cumulative, and result in unpredictable genetic variations. 

Of course most random genetic variations are unhealthy, just as most rolls of the dice produce a loser.  But short term, say during a few thousand years of evolution, the unhealthy variations become more observable and exist individually among the greater population.  If they are passed on throughout the entire population, it may not bode well for the longevity of the species.  I don't know that Muslim inbreeding results in the strangeness of Islamic society.  It could, but it seems like over the last 1000 thousand years, it would likely cause some sort of genetic chaos within the community.  At any rate, linking inbreeding to terrorism seems like a long reach, but to be fair to the study, I don't think it was making that claim.  It was just a study of the presence of inbreeding in Muslim society, which of course, is going to offend some sensitivities in a diverse group of people.

[aitm]

All these things -I am sure we can add more- require ABOVE AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE, not genetic stupidity.

maybe at the top. Blowing yourself up and shooting people does not really require much intelligence let alone above average. Even your basic moron can throw a coat on, walk around a square and bush a "forever" button.

[Jack89]

Certainly since 90% of all crimes are by males the cause must be the Y-chromosome ;-)

Another micro-aggression here.  How dare you suggest that there's a difference between men and women :-)

[pr126]

One cold not help noticing that the planners, movers and shakers never blow themselves up.

They tend to "delegate" the privilege of martirdom operations to the more deserving Muslims with lesser mental capacity, but more fervour and gullibility for the celestial brothel of Allah.

[drunkenshoe]

That's the problem. It's more complicated than just keeping a marriage record.

But it doesn't end with that. Taking numbers and records and adding it to each other and making lists is not making a research. These are different groups of people with different cultures. Not oranges and apples.

Any group of researchers aiming to make a research of the sort are responsible for knowing the variety of marriage practices, how they change according to the regional religious culture, customs...etc. Does anyone have any idea how long that would take? That's why all these researches that come up with the title "insert numeric value here % of muslims are this and that" is highly likely to be bogus and it is fair to look for any agenda behind it.

Besides what is the scientific explanation behind the relation of low IQ and highly organised terrorist groups -one turned into a fucking state- to begin with?


OK. Let's give an example. Male psychopathic serial killers are by far the larger majority group among serial killers. They have common traits like abuse in childhood, absence of father figure, some evidence of military service and previous criminal arrests. These are all familiar an 'expected' traits with a lots of other differences. (The 'serial killers tend to have high IQ' idea is a pure myth as probbaly you know) And their IQ scores are various from low to borderline and high. Now, here comes the bomb. A large number of them were electricians. The statistic was so high it actually was defined as 'surprising' by the researchers in the field.

What does that tell us? That electricians with male gender are highly likley to torture, rape, chop and kill muiltiple people? Bullshit. Something is happening there they don't understand right now.

However, if someone gives me that information the first thing I would think is that electricians are in a group of profession who interacts many different people in their private spaces like home and also work, they interact with a lot of people from different groups, they travel short distances constantly and that the circumstances; daily way of practices of their work might -just might- somehow open a door to develop an idea to why a very large group of these men are electricians. Applying real life situtaions and people in.

This is what these researches seem to lack. They lack relations, real life, many other variables, circumstances these people live in...but they are just numbers added to each other according to some expectations. Kuran says it is OK to marry your cousins is not an explanation. Christianity says, no.  A certain sub culture of USA always gets bashed about this. How many inbred groups are there in the US? Why are they doing it?

[stromboli]

50 percent is half. Half of the leaders planning the use and movement of the half that is less intelligent and more controllable. I don't find that to be implausible. There is also the literacy aspect:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=39

versus the Islamic countries that are ranked low in literacy
https://nosharia.wordpress.com/list-of-muslim-majority-countries-with-sectstategovernment/

I have looked for sources of more information and apparently this is either a taboo topic or new enough that the only sources are either outright denial or right wing propaganda, so a clear picture isn't likely. I couldn't find much on Nicolai Sennels either, other than his study was done amongst prison populations, which I suspect would skew the results.

But you might note in a comparison with literacy/illiteracy, there are only 2-3 countries considered Islamic that rate high in literacy, and those are all small countries- Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan- which are both wealthy in terms of oil revenue. Most of the Islamic countries rate at the bottom or in bottom half.

The main reason I posted this was because I knew it would be controversial.   :72:

OH AND BTW:

I have also seen correlations between cousin marriage-consanguinity- and polygamous populations for similar situations and claims. Polygamy I know something about, and there are definitely tendencies to marry younger women/sisters/cousins among those groups. And there are polygamous groups that are multigenerational, like the FLDS. Any relatively closeted/separatist culture would be susceptible to incest issues.

[drunkenshoe]

One cold not help noticing that the planners, movers and shakers never blow themselves up.

They tend to "delegate" the privilege of martirdom operations to the more deserving Muslims with lesser mental capacity, but more fervour and gullibility for the celestial brothel of Allah.

Yes, exactly like any other army. there is a strict rank system. 

Do officers of highest ranks get killed in wars or invasions? No. Their job is to sit down under comfortable and cosy protection and decide where the soldiers should die or shouldn't depends how you look at it. 

What is the difference? One side has better uniforms and toys, is that it?


Also, why do you think suicide bombers have lower mental capacity? This is a very good example of how people look at terrorism, specifically islamic terrorism in general and how it doesn't match the reality.

[Baruch]

Another micro-aggression here.  How dare you suggest that there's a difference between men and women :-)

I married a woman, precisely because we are not the same.  Similar yes, but not the same ;-)

[TomFoolery]

A never-spoken-about problem with Muslims is their inbreeding as a result of their long and deeply-ingrained practice of marrying first cousins â€" a practice that has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses.

Might have been prohibited, but let's not pretend like it doesn't happen. That's how European monarchies worked for like, ever. Charles II of Spain was so inbred that he had a jaw so deformed he could barely eat. And of course there was the Queen Victoria and the hemophilia fiasco. And these people were our world leaders.

First cousin marriages were actually pretty common in Christian cultures up until about a century ago. Charles Darwin married his first cousin, Albert Einstein married Elsa Einstein (maiden name), who was a first cousin through Albert's mother and a second cousin through his father.

I'm not saying Muslims don't possess a certain amount of inbreeding, but to act like everyone else is perfectly fine ignores small bush tribes in Australia and Africa, Appalachia, Amish communities, fundamentalist Mormon communities, etc.

[Baruch]

One cold not help noticing that the planners, movers and shakers never blow themselves up.

They tend to "delegate" the privilege of martirdom operations to the more deserving Muslims with lesser mental capacity, but more fervour and gullibility for the celestial brothel of Allah.

Not that is makes it any better ... but it is well known that even Western security services prey on the mentally unstable, like Oswald et al.  And sometimes they are just blackmailing the potential suicide bomber (do this or your family gets it).  And some do it out of conviction too.

Aside from a bit of poorly substantiated anthropology ... this kind of thing attracts the Stormfront sympathizers ... not saying Stromboli is one of those.  Bring on the eugenics and scientific racism and gas chambers!  Empirically though, it is clear that White/European folks ... are the most stupid, right?  Let us start there (sarc).

[stromboli]

Yes, exactly like any other army. there is a strict rank system. 

Do officers of highest ranks get killed in wars or invasions? No. Their job is to sit down under comfortable and cosy protection and decide where the soldiers should die or shouldn't depends how you look at it. 

What is the difference? One side has better uniforms and toys, is that it?


Also, why do you think suicide bombers have lower mental capacity? This is a very good example of how people look at terrorism, specifically islamic terrorism in general and how it doesn't match the reality.

Those of us who have been in the military are well aware of the ranking structure of command. But note at least one crucial difference: the ranking is not done by religious agenda. And soldiers in Western armies are not as a whole conscripted currently. Some countries like Israel and Switzerland have periods of national service, but those countries both rank high in literacy and low in incestual relationships.

Countries where Islamic government- a caliphate, for example- would be far more likely to influence/recruit among the masses than a democracy. I posted a topic awhile ago about whether Islam lends itself to democracy, and the answer in my opinion was no, it does not.

Pretty sure you can bet that those who wind up dying by way of suicide bombing or other attacks aren't the clerics and the leaders, as PR already pointed out.

[drunkenshoe]

I have also seen correlations between cousin marriage-consanguinity- and polygamous populations for similar situations and claims. Polygamy I know something about, and there are definitely tendencies to marry younger women/sisters/cousins among those groups. And there are polygamous groups that are multigenerational, like the FLDS. Any relatively closeted/separatist culture would be susceptible to incest issues.

I definitely agree with that.

However, in Islamic countries, unfortunately that draws up new problems, strom.

A lot of Islamic countries are under UN or Human Rights Watch scrutiny and while it is a very good thing, as they are imposed certain standards in marriage against problems like underage marriages, it also causes people -esp. in remore rural areas- to defy usual marriage customs which are the RECORD ONES and make up their own or just take up the religious without the lawful licence. This is not necessarily done for underage marriage but often it ends in there.

In some countries, like Turkiye, religious marriage has just been made legal before the lawful one -that means it has been prohibited nearly over 90 years and that is a form of oppression if you ask me- and for a long time a lot of people has married without licence.

There are also other groups in Anatolia and Middle Eastern reion which can correctly be defined as 'clans'. They are proper clans. They have completely different customs. This is just the tip of the iceberg. I can't imagine the vast remote areas.

Any reliable research would cover a little area, a specific sub culture.

[Baruch]

Europeans don't lend themselves to democracy (see GB) ... and Americans are reverting to European form.  Guess they are defectives too.  Or should we systematically attack all the monarchies, starting with Saudi Arabia?  Or is that only because of the oil?  GB has less and less oil, so they aren't worth invading.  People should stop spouting political mythologies on an atheist web site ;-)

[stromboli]

I definitely agree with that.

However, in Islamic countries, unfortunately that draws up new problems, strom.

A lot of Islamic countries are under UN or Human Rights Watch scrutiny and while it is a very good thing, as they are imposed certain standards in marriage against problems like underage marriages, it also causes people -esp. in remore rural areas- to defy usual marriage customs which are the RECORD ONES and make up their own or just take up the religious without the lawful licence. This is not necessarily done for underage marriage but often it ends in there.

In some countries, like Turkiye, religious marriage has just been made legal before the lawful one -that means it has been prohibited nearly over 90 years and that is a form of oppression if you ask me- and for a long time a lot of people has married without licence.

There are also other groups in Anatolia and Middle Eastern reion which can correctly be defined as 'clans'. They are proper clans. They have completely different customs. This is just the tip of the iceberg. I can't imagine the vast remote areas.

Any reliable research would cover a little area, a specific sub culture.

Honestly think any conclusion on this topic will be tentative at best because of the lack of correlation and objective studies, so discuss away.

But you made a good point. Just like polygamous groups, that are separatist and very suspicious of outside observation, it would be difficult to get an objective study of groups that are cloistered or suspicious of observation by scientists/social scientists. (Sorry, I'm in the "social science isn't real science" camp)