Moderates?

[Baruch]

i think it should be quite common. Imams don't get much money normally. they get a free place to stay, low quality food free of charge and small salary from the community. people normally want their children to successful and happy.
Being Imams just doesn't provide that. only little respect.

Most Christian clergy don't run megachurches with their own TV programs either.  My ex was clergy, and the situation with us was similar to what you describe ... except that Americans are more affluent on average.

[pr126]

So at least some Muslims are Uber-menschen ...

All Muslims are Uber-menschen.

Quran 3:110 says so:

Yusuf Ali: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

BTW, Ahmadis are not considered as Muslims in Pakistan.

[Baruch]

cool, i might be an actual Aryan. can't wait to tell my german friends here.
though being superman is more cooler.

again, you say stuffs which goes over my head. can't you dumb it down for me.

I am typing as slow as I dare ;-)  Not trying to use big words, but was English your native language, or was Urdu?  Compensating for that will be ... too challenging, since while I have studied a little Farsi and Hindu, I haven't studied Urdu (haven't gotten around to it).  There are many languages spoken in Pakistan, though they are mostly related to Farsi and Hindu.  Your understanding of English is better than what I understand in any other language than English, even though I have studied, so yes, I do consider you a Superman ;-)

If you have specific questions, and I answer them, then the other readers might benefit.  Your German friends are very distant cousins, just as the Gentile part of my ancestry is.  My mother is part German-American too.  But the Persians are closer to Aryan than the Germans ... as are those lighter toned descendants from the upper levels of Hindus.  The swastika was borrowed from Hinduism/Buddhism.

[Baruch]

All Muslims are Uber-menschen.

Quran 3:110 says so:

Yusuf Ali: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Since you quote the Quran more often than an imam ... either you are ready to convert (and I have entertained the idea myself) or you actually are Muslim yourself.  Which part of Western intel services are you from?  Or what part of the Middle East?

As a Jewish person, I know that what Muslims aspire to, I already am ... anti-Semites tell me so.  I have had a great big mean looking motorcycle club member  defer to me in public, when I was wearing my yarmulka because I put it on before going to synagogue.  Maybe you Europeans will make good soap (Sarc).

[CloneKai]

Pr126 - It is possible that CloneKai ... being from Pakistan ... is an actual Aryan.  So at least some Muslims are Uber-menschen ... Supermen ... who put their spandex costume one, both legs at once, wear capes, can fly without an airplane and go around beating up on innocent criminals.  Since they have a hive mind ... it is clear that mere Europeans are inferior, and ought to simply move out, leaving anything valuable behind for your new masters to enjoy.  Maybe Russia wants you ... for Siberian slave labor that is.  Since so many Mexicans want to live and work in the US ... we really are full up, so don't bother sending your Eurotrash here.

CloneKai  - your Internet motto should be "Up, up and away!" (from old Superman TV show of my childhood).

just explain this

[Baruch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2l4bz1FT8U

But for you, "truth, justice and the Pakistan way".

[CloneKai]

I am typing as slow as I dare ;-)  Not trying to use big words, but was English your native language, or was Urdu?  Compensating for that will be ... too challenging, since while I have studied a little Farsi and Hindu, I haven't studied Urdu (haven't gotten around to it).  There are many languages spoken in Pakistan, though they are mostly related to Farsi and Hindu.  Your understanding of English is better than what I understand in any other language than English, even though I have studied, so yes, I do consider you a Superman ;-)

Urdu is my native and i understand spoken hindi apparently.
My language skills are piss poor. my English is ok and better than urdu, that might be because i like English books and articles.

[CloneKai]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2l4bz1FT8U

But for you, "truth, justice and the Pakistan way".

Dafuq

I know what superman is, i even know what super saiyan is and spiderman, Narutu and pikachu.
question is
why am i
"Supermen ... who put their spandex costume one, both legs at once, wear capes, can fly without an airplane and go around beating up on innocent criminals.  Since they have a hive mind ... it is clear that mere Europeans are inferior, and ought to simply move out, leaving anything valuable behind for your new masters to enjoy"

[Baruch]

Sorry to belabor ... as someone of possible Aryan origin ... you qualify for the "chose good parents" card.  Superman didn't choose to be from Krypton, he just was lucky he wasn't from a wimp planet, so that when he came to Earth, he wasn't miget wimp man.

[Sargon The Grape]

CIVILIZED PEOPLE DO NOT VIOLATE THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF OTHERS.

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, civil rights are kind of in the eyes of the beholder. Societies over the millennia have all had very different ideas of what human rights really are. As irreligious folk, we're always reminding people that there is no set of objective moral values, and this applies to civil rights as well. You can accuse someone of not thinking their position through very deeply, but you can't declare someone to be in the wrong solely on the basis of them violating your particular concept of civil rights.

[Baruch]

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, civil rights are kind of in the eyes of the beholder. Societies over the millennia have all had very different ideas of what human rights really are. As irreligious folk, we're always reminding people that there is no set of objective moral values, and this applies to civil rights as well. You can accuse someone of not thinking their position through very deeply, but you can't declare someone to be in the wrong solely on the basis of them violating your particular concept of civil rights.

Anti-alcohol, anti-tobacco, anti-drug folks ... will naturally say that you have no civil rights to do any of those things.  And from their POV, they are right.  This is self reinforcing.  Either you are for freedom or you aren't ... and most people are criminals, they are for freedom for themselves and slavery for everyone else.  A puritan criminal would tend to victimize drunk smoking pot heads ... because it makes him feel better.  That pretty much describes ISIS.  Puritan criminals are even worse than the regular ones ... like me.

[pr126]

Baruch wrote:

Since you quote the Quran more often than an imam ... either you are ready to convert (and I have entertained the idea myself) or you actually are Muslim yourself.  Which part of Western intel services are you from?  Or what part of the Middle East?

Actually, now you asking, I did live in the Middle East from 1956 to 1967. Did speak good hebrew and some Arabic.
But that was a long time ago. Forgot almost all of it. Now just some German, English and fluent moron. ;)

I also did for 2.5 years in the  צ×'א while there.

שלום

[Jack89]

Baruch wrote:Actually, now you asking, I did live in the Middle East from 1956 to 1967. Did speak good hebrew and some Arabic.
But that was a long time ago. Forgot almost all of it. Now just some German, English and fluent moron. ;)

I also did for 2.5 years in the  צ×'א while there.

שלום

The Israeli Army?

[pr126]

The Israeli Army?

Yes.

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[Jack89]

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, civil rights are kind of in the eyes of the beholder. Societies over the millennia have all had very different ideas of what human rights really are. As irreligious folk, we're always reminding people that there is no set of objective moral values, and this applies to civil rights as well. You can accuse someone of not thinking their position through very deeply, but you can't declare someone to be in the wrong solely on the basis of them violating your particular concept of civil rights.

Yes you can.  People do it all the time, and rightly so.  If my group has values that hold that free speech, freedom of religion, equal treatment of men and women as the standard, and your group doesn't, I can certainly declare your group wrong in that regard.  If your group violates my groups values by throwing a gay man off of a building for being gay, I can and will declare your group to be in the wrong.  It may be relative, but there it is.