What if there is a God and that God is perfect?...

[Unbeliever]

After all, all people are born disconnected from God and headed for hellfire.

Wow, a loving God who makes eternal torture the default position of life? I wonder what he'd've done had he not been quite so loving?

[Baruch]

Yeah, Zeus even had ladies springing right out of his forehead!

But - but - didn't the deity die for our sins and stuff? Or was it only part of God that died, but the rest of him was too ornery do croak?

If we consider current day religion in the same light as ancient religion (and many of you do) ... then it isn't too much to get upset at, it is just silly.  The question of the relationship between Jesus' humanity and Jesus' divinity would have gotten you in trouble, even executed, in the first few centuries of Constantinian Christianity.  That is what the whole Arian controversy was about.

[Mike Cl]

If we consider current day religion in the same light as ancient religion (and many of you do) ... then it isn't too much to get upset at, it is just silly.  The question of the relationship between Jesus' humanity and Jesus' divinity would have gotten you in trouble, even executed, in the first few centuries of Constantinian Christianity.  That is what the whole Arian controversy was about.

The whole thing is silly--insisting my fiction is truer than your fiction is the height of stupidity.

[Baruch]

My ancestor, Emperor Magnus Maximus, was the first Christian ruler to execute other Christians for heresy.  He executed Priscillian and a few of his followers ... for puritanism.  The question of puritanism turns on the question of Jesus' humanity.  I think that puritans consistently misread the NT.

[Mike Cl]

My ancestor, Emperor Magnus Maximus, was the first Christian ruler to execute other Christians for heresy.  He executed Priscillian and a few of his followers ... for puritanism.  The question of puritanism turns on the question of Jesus' humanity.  I think that puritans consistently misread the NT.

All christians have misread the NT--and the OT.  All have read it through the lens of wishful thinking, not rational, reasoning.

[Mr.Obvious]

All christians have misread the NT--and the OT.  All have read it through the lens of wishful thinking, not rational, reasoning.

Agreed. And I'd go even further and wager that any who has ever read any holy text has most likely misread said text.

[Baruch]

Agreed. And I'd go even further and wager that any who has ever read any holy text has most likely misread said text.

Bookworms, that made the text holy, ate all the good parts ;-)

[aitm]

The great thing about the babble is that it is so crystal clear in its intent that every single person who reads it interprets it the exact same way. That is why there is only one religion…….

[PickelledEggs]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

[mod]Bye.[/mod]

[Unbeliever]

  I think that puritans consistently misread the NT.

I think just about everyone misreads the NT, and the OT.

[Unbeliever]

And he had so much potential.

Maybe he had potential energy, which turned into kinetic energy, and subsequently turned into heat (etc.) energy.

[Baruch]

I think just about everyone misreads the NT, and the OT.

First clue ... ask Jewish people about Jewish literature.  The OT and NT are both Jewish.  Would you expect someone not French to be an expert in French literature?  Anglophones are "tres arrogant".

[g2perk]

All christians have misread the NT--and the OT.  All have read it through the lens of wishful thinking, not rational, reasoning.

Now that's just false. Really , that does not even sound right.

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[g2perk]

Agreed. And I'd go even further and wager that any who has ever read any holy text has most likely misread said text.

Someone pick a verse. Let read it together. We can see if a believe and non believe come up with the same conclusion.

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[Mike Cl]

Now that's just false. Really , that does not even sound right.

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Prove it.  Give me on thing that is proven by the bible.