Hillary Muslims 'Have Nothing Whatsoever To Do With Terrorism'

[peacewithoutgod]

When the Republican lizard people took over from the Democrat pod people ... all was lost.

Show me one single majority Muslim country where Muslims are tolerant, peaceful and non-violent, and they don't live by legal ideas of justice which isn't barbaric. One which does not have social policies which aren't reprehensible? Islam is a deadly menace wherever it exists!

[pr126]

[Baruch]

Islamaphobia is not a real phobia, you fail. It is a made up word in an effort to convince some ^ that a fear of deranged fanatics is a phobia instead of a precaution. Islamaphobia is as real as judaphobia, or catholophobia, baptistphobia, buddaphobia, or gayphobia. Get real.

Well now, everyone is a medical doctor ... congratulations!  But a real doctor might diagnose fleas ;-)

I was just watching The Bunker ... and Pr126 ... I must say ... you are ready to join the Fatherland in our holy Lebensraum on the Eastern Front.  Clash of civilizations?  Some people here, ironically, are more tribal than I am.  The extra large letters remind me of those great Nuremberg party rallies of yore.  Today Atheistforums ... tomorrow Facebook!

[pr126]

Dear Baruch, Your posts excel in quantity, not in quality.

[Munch]

Now now boys, you two hug and make up, or I'll have to get my spankenheimer

[SGOS]

Islamaphobia is a mental condition ... it doesn't equate to atheism.  I have no problem with atheism.

For something to be a phobia, it must be driven by fear to such a degree that it becomes debilitating.  Unfortunately, the word "Islamaphobia" gets carelessly thrown about to include anyone who has an issue with Islam.  It has become a "fashionable", although sloppy defense of Islam and much of its associated nonsense.  Even someone referring to "Islamic nonsense" could be accused of  Islamaphobia.  But this knee jerk criticism itself is as harmful as the thing it imagines.

If the neighbor gets pissed off because your dog shits in his yard, that doesn't mean the neighbor is Cynophobic.  You can't assume that he's afraid of dogs.  He's more likely just tired of cleaning up the dog's shit piles.

[peacewithoutgod]

This is true, but Christianity is no less barbaric TODAY in countries such as Papua New Guinae and much of Africa, where ignorance reigns supreme.

[Baruch]

My ex is dog phobic because a dog once took the food off her paper plate when she was little.  So please give me a pressure gauge to measure "debilitation".  My ex isn't completely debilitated, but she will never be comfortable around dogs.

[SGOS]

My ex is dog phobic because a dog once took the food off her paper plate when she was little.  So please give me a pressure gauge to measure "debilitation".  My ex isn't completely debilitated, but she will never be comfortable around dogs.

WTF are you blabbering about?

[Brian37]

Hillary: Muslims 'Have Nothing Whatsoever To Do With Terrorism'
A Presidential Candidate.

Yes and no......I agree with her empathy and yes, most Muslims are peaceful. But this is a mistake all religions make.

It does not take a majority to cause problems, it only takes a big enough minority to cause problems. The Muslims who DO denounce violence, are still using the same Koran others use to justify violence. But the same can be said for Christianity. There are Black Baptists who voted for Obama, who is certainly a very empathetic man worthy of voting for. But there are also White conservative Baptists, who use the same bible, to justify murdering abortion doctors and denying gays equal rights, and denying livable wages for workers.

Islam still as far as the region goes, is still stuck in the past, and the Koran is the source of their morality, just like the Bible is used by many different sects of Christianity. The west became more civil because the west learned to water down holy books and cherry pick it to justify civility and common law.

So while certainly someone like Malala is not my enemy, the Koran was also the same book Bin Ladin used to justify 9/11.

Ann Frank said something like "In spite of everything, I still believe humans are good at heart". I agree, but even that doesn't constitute evidence for Yahweh, or any God. I value that  because of her empathy, not her religion.

Humans certainly are capable of wanting peace and being peaceful. I simply think religion is a huge distraction to the empathy that we are all capable of.

[CloneKai]

Yes and no......I agree with her empathy and yes, most Muslims are peaceful. But this is a mistake all religions make.

It does not take a majority to cause problems, it only takes a big enough minority to cause problems. The Muslims who DO denounce violence, are still using the same Koran others use to justify violence. But the same can be said for Christianity. There are Black Baptists who voted for Obama, who is certainly a very empathetic man worthy of voting for. But there are also White conservative Baptists, who use the same bible, to justify murdering abortion doctors and denying gays equal rights, and denying livable wages for workers.

Islam still as far as the region goes, is still stuck in the past, and the Koran is the source of their morality, just like the Bible is used by many different sects of Christianity. The west became more civil because the west learned to water down holy books and cherry pick it to justify civility and common law.

So while certainly someone like Malala is not my enemy, the Koran was also the same book Bin Ladin used to justify 9/11.

Ann Frank said something like "In spite of everything, I still believe humans are good at heart". I agree, but even that doesn't constitute evidence for Yahweh, or any God. I value that  because of her empathy, not her religion.

Humans certainly are capable of wanting peace and being peaceful. I simply think religion is a huge distraction to the empathy that we are all capable of.

i don't think people moralities comes from books, i am more inclined to believe they justify their moralities using religious books.
more often than not, religious people seems to have same moralities as their imaginary sky daddy has, and then they do some Olympics worthy mental gymnastic to show that their holy scripture actually backs their version of absolute morality.

[Shiranu]

((Using ... instead of comas because my coma key is broke now...)

Yes and no......I agree with her empathy and yes, most Muslims are peaceful. But this is a mistake all religions make.

It does not take a majority to cause problems, it only takes a big enough minority to cause problems. The Muslims who DO denounce violence, are still using the same Koran others use to justify violence. But the same can be said for Christianity. There are Black Baptists who voted for Obama, who is certainly a very empathetic man worthy of voting for. But there are also White conservative Baptists, who use the same bible, to justify murdering abortion doctors and denying gays equal rights, and denying livable wages for workers.

Islam still as far as the region goes, is still stuck in the past, and the Koran is the source of their morality, just like the Bible is used by many different sects of Christianity. The west became more civil because the west learned to water down holy books and cherry pick it to justify civility and common law.

So while certainly someone like Malala is not my enemy, the Koran was also the same book Bin Ladin used to justify 9/11.

Ann Frank said something like "In spite of everything, I still believe humans are good at heart". I agree, but even that doesn't constitute evidence for Yahweh, or any God. I value that  because of her empathy, not her religion.

Humans certainly are capable of wanting peace and being peaceful. I simply think religion is a huge distraction to the empathy that we are all capable of.

Here is my problem with that; there are plenty of atheists who are... bluntly... assholes and no where even remotely empathetic. And there have been atheists who use their atheism as an excuse to commit violent acts. Yes there is no core dogma for an atheist to follow... but even given that people find a way to use atheism as justification to be a dick.

I think if we are going to blame the ideology for religion then the same has to be done for nearly anything... people commit violence in the name of conservatism because they feel it's refusal to change means it endorses violence as a solution to stop change. People commit violence in the name of progressivism because they feel that the need for change can justify hurting others. One could easily argue that these ideologies justify violence because of how absolute they tend to be and that there are branches of these ideologies that blatantly call for violence.

I think we use "religion is political!" when it's convenient to us and turn around too often and say "religion is religion with no outside influences needed!" when it's convenient for that narrative. Yes the Qu'ran... Bible... Torah... Hindu texts... etc. that call for violence... yet the fact that people can also twist the words of Buddha into excuses for violence or justifications for serfs and a oligarchy... or can twist "equality" into throwing Jews and disabled people into gas chambers... shows that even the most peaceful of ideologies can be twisted to violence just as easily as an ideology that is blatantly violent (as the Abraham religions are). Likewise the religions of Abraham can just as easily be twisted into something peaceful and beautiful.

To address religion as the cause of evil is... to me... trying to treat the symptom and not the disease. All ideologies are inherently violent because people are inherently violent. All ideologies are inherently peaceful as well because people are inherently peaceful. While the ideology may lend itself to violence easier than others... the fact that we have some absolutely horrendous religions that are now peaceful (Judaism/Christianity/Western Islam ... and also Hinduism [which I admire but must confess is really fucked up]) shows that it is obviously not the religion that is the problem but rather something deeper.

Tl;dr - Blaming religion is taking the easy way out and trying to put a band-aide on a severed arm.

[aitm]

WTF are you blabbering about?

He does get caught up in….er……something.

[Baruch]

He does get caught up in….er……something.

Just giving concrete examples ... that disprove denialism.

[aitm]

denialism.

stop being silly denialism  Egypt.     *ba-dum-tish*