In Case You Thought Religion Makes Society Less Violent

[peacewithoutgod]

I do want to thank you for the conversation though. I find it refreshing to get new insights on how others view our messed up world.

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It isn't messed up, it's just what it is. Oh, we could have been colonizing distant solar systems by now if the positive learning trend set in motion in the Library of Alexandria hadn't been destroyed by maurading Xtian and later Muslim priests, but living in the past is pointless. What matters is where we go now, whether we choose to do what we can to sustain a habitable environment for future generations, or to continue exploiting and destroying it while millions die in continuous worldwide warfare over non-renewable resources which destroy our atmosphere, as the warring groups beat the drums of their gods and our children choke to death. Will yours remember you as a wise teacher? Oh, you think there's a god who's taking control of all of that, who may not want to keep another generation on this planet, who will save everybody who follows him and make them so happy they'll never miss the only home they ever knew - but what if that's all just empty words - how can you be sure? Just how strong is the evidence which you rely on to support your belief in such an idea?

Read the works of Xtian apologists, and they are all the same, relying on anecdote, ad homina, red herring fallacies, buttloads of circular reasoning, and most of all appeals to authorities which don't stand well outside of the circle jerk which is Xtian apologetics. There are much better sources for wisdom in this world than your bible which a healthy society can be founded on, and you need to open your sleeping, dreaming eyes and go take a look at them. I won't tell you what they are, you'll need to decide that for yourself, but I can guarantee you will find better ways to live by than your ideas of divine revelation if you search for them.

Seek and ye shall find...it can reinforce your pre-conceived notions, or it can be a way to actual new learning.

[g2perk]

Thank you but I would rather die before listening to any man on this earth before learning from the bible. Man can only give you what he has learned from the mistakes he has made. Then what. What about all the things that he doesn't know. My friend you are lost and looking for answers from people on this earth in which they can not satisfy your longing. The difference between you and I is huge. I have found my answer to life and am now trying to apply them. You are still looking for truth. Good luck with that.

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[Solomon Zorn]

You are as dense a moron as I have ever encountered. The Bible was written by men, and then compiled by other men. It's not even very well written, being full of errors and self-contradictions. Are you so completely Christarded that you think it was just plopped onto mankind by some divine magic?

But this preaching is getting on my nerves. How have you escaped the Ban-Hammer for so long, when you don't even make any attempt to actually respond to the points raised against you?

[g2perk]

I really see that you don't understand the bible. By the way it's written by men but inspire by God which no other book on this earth can say. And please give me just one error the BIBLE has that YOU found and I'll be more that happy to explain it to... Now don't cheat and Google anything. I want to test your knowledge of you have any. And by the way Because I see how illiterate you are when it comes to scripture. A parable is a earthly experience with a spiritual meaning...I sorry maybe that's too deep. Lol.

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[Baruch]

I missed this show back in the 90s for some reason.  It's not unusual that I miss a series, but then discover it and become a fan after the series is over.  That's what happened with Stargate SG1 and Atlantis.   I just spent 15 minutes reading a few reviews from viewers, which left me undecided.  A general consensus of viewers seems to coalesce around the notion that it was a great first season that ended up drifting about aimlessly for the next 4 years.  What did you think of the series?

Well the criticisms of the version currently on Youtube is valid ... they did change the vocals too much in editing, and the viewing rectangle is too small.  As far as the series goes, if you like Scifi ... the story is good for the first season ... after that they did have to troll for writers ... there are individual episodes what are quite good in the later years, you would have to pick and choose.  So it would be worth it if you already had a streaming service paid for.  I really liked some of the technical aspects ... the head up display/control in the fly-about is neat.  And the overall storyline is a mystery ... so don't troll ahead too much ;-)  If you really like the first season, and can overlook discontinuities in the later seasons ... then give that a try.

[g2perk]

Solomon are you mad at my God because he disappointed are what. I don't know if you realize but the bible is meant for individual growth first. The trials that corrupt our thinking are only there to see if we truly believe that's all. Everybody goes through them even Christ followers.

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[Solomon Zorn]

I really see that you don't understand the bible.

I really see that you don't understand rational discourse.

By the way it's written by men but inspire by God which no other book on this earth can say.

The Bible can't say it either.

And please give me just one error the BIBLE has that YOU found and I'll be more that happy to explain it to... Now don't cheat and Google anything. I want to test your knowledge of you have any.

Oh, for Christ's sake! I noticed the two different genealogies of Joseph early in my reading: I do not accept the explanation that one of the two is Mary's, when in fact they both clearly claim to be Joseph's. I know all the apologetics for it, so don't bore me, please.

Then I noticed the two different deaths of Judas. Also, what did he do with the 50 shekels of silver?

But the most important one I noticed is probably the most important one: the three (or is it four?) different accounts of Jesus' last words, before he died.

I noticed the discrepancies in the creation myth, on my own, as well.

I've learned of many more, from studies in bible college, and the various apologetics for them (all of which I've forgotten now, as that was 30 years ago).

I'd wager you weren't even aware of them.

And by the way Because I see how illiterate you are when it comes to scripture. A parable is a earthly experience with a spiritual meaning...I sorry maybe that's too deep. Lol.

No, it is not, Moron. A parable is a fictional story, with a symbolic meaning, that teaches a lesson. An allegory. It is not "an earthly experience."

[SGOS]

Well the criticisms of the version currently on Youtube is valid ... they did change the vocals too much in editing, and the viewing rectangle is too small.  As far as the series goes, if you like Scifi ... the story is good for the first season ... after that they did have to troll for writers ... there are individual episodes what are quite good in the later years, you would have to pick and choose.  So it would be worth it if you already had a streaming service paid for.  I really liked some of the technical aspects ... the head up display/control in the fly-about is neat.  And the overall storyline is a mystery ... so don't troll ahead too much ;-)  If you really like the first season, and can overlook discontinuities in the later seasons ... then give that a try.

The reason I asked is because I don't utilize streaming, partly out of a sort of stubbornness on my part, but also because of quality.  I have a 12 foot wide viewing screen and a kick ass sound system, and I don't want to compromise on resolution or sound quality.  I also only have access to DSL, which isn't as good as some of the other delivery systems, so it means I'd have to sign up again for Netflix DVD rental by mail again, but when their mail service went to Hell, I dropped them.  So for that many disks (120 episodes), it would take a couple of months of waiting around for the DVDs to dribble in.  That's assuming they are even available at Netflix.  But the EFC teaser looked interesting.

I had Netflix streaming when it first came out, but I wasn't impressed with the selection or the quality.  Then I tried Amazon, which was even worse.  I could buy the series for something like $80, but the reviews I read red flagged my brain.  Sci-Fi is my favorite genre, but there's enough TV Sci-Fi that I'm not interested in, so it's kind of a crap shoot.

[Solomon Zorn]

... I don't know if you realize but the bible is meant for individual growth first. The trials that corrupt our thinking are only there to see if we truly believe that's all. Everybody goes through them even Christ followers.

So when a child dies a slow death from cancer, is that to see if the child truly believes, or the parent?

[SGOS]

So when a child dies a slow death from cancer, is that to see if the child truly believes, or the parent?

LOL  Don't bait him.  You'll only encourage him.

[g2perk]

So when a child dies a slow death from cancer, is that to see if the child truly believes, or the parent?

Can a dead child believe...ok. Now if the parent of the dead child goes through the grieving process and comes through and now is able to help another that goes through the same experience is that a positive impact or negative.


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[josephpalazzo]

So much waste over a fictional character. Get a fucking life, moron.

[Solomon Zorn]

Can a dead child believe...ok. Now if the parent of the dead child goes through the grieving process and comes through and now is able to help another that goes through the same experience is that a positive impact or negative.

I can't believe you are actually postulating that a child's death can ever be a positive impact, just because it gives the grieving parent sympathy for another grieving parent!!! Are you that desperate for justification?

Ask yourself this, Perky: did you really come here to save me from a life without Jesus, or to have me save you from a life with him?

[g2perk]

I really see that you don't understand rational discourse.
The Bible can't say it either.
Oh, for Christ's sake! I noticed the two different genealogies of Joseph early in my reading: I do not accept the explanation that one of the two is Mary's, when in fact they both clearly claim to be Joseph's. I know all the apologetics for it, so don't bore me, please.

Then I noticed the two different deaths of Judas. Also, what did he do with the 50 shekels of silver?

But the most important one I noticed is probably the most important one: the three (or is it four?) different accounts of Jesus' last words, before he died.

I noticed the discrepancies in the creation myth, on my own, as well.

I've learned of many more, from studies in bible college, and the various apologetics for them (all of which I've forgotten now, as that was 30 years ago).

I'd wager you weren't even aware of them.
No, it is not, Moron. A parable is a fictional story, with a symbolic meaning, that teaches a lesson. An allegory. It is not "an earthly experience."

Ok. As for as Judas it was 30 not 50. The two deaths are the same just told by two different authors. Just like all of the gospels they all talk about the life of Jesus in a different manor some having more details than the other. Did you get that he died in both accounts.. Good then the point was made. The money was used to buy the land in which he killed himself called now the field of blood.

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[g2perk]

I really see that you don't understand rational discourse.
The Bible can't say it either.
Oh, for Christ's sake! I noticed the two different genealogies of Joseph early in my reading: I do not accept the explanation that one of the two is Mary's, when in fact they both clearly claim to be Joseph's. I know all the apologetics for it, so don't bore me, please.

Then I noticed the two different deaths of Judas. Also, what did he do with the 50 shekels of silver?

But the most important one I noticed is probably the most important one: the three (or is it four?) different accounts of Jesus' last words, before he died.

I noticed the discrepancies in the creation myth, on my own, as well.

I've learned of many more, from studies in bible college, and the various apologetics for them (all of which I've forgotten now, as that was 30 years ago).

I'd wager you weren't even aware of them.
No, it is not, Moron. A parable is a fictional story, with a symbolic meaning, that teaches a lesson. An allegory. It is not "an earthly experience."

Now for the most important one. Remember John was the one that was the closest to Jesus on the cross and the others were a little further back. So again the different gospels are what each disciple recounted. I would go with what John said because he was the only one that heard it from the mouth of Jesus.


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