In Case You Thought Religion Makes Society Less Violent

[g2perk]

Okay Your ready...It means to lead or to follow. Believers are known followers in that which he chooses and Believing leads you to that place of joy.

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[Baruch]

I thought that is what I said. A real relationship changes people. Where does ego come into play.

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Where does ego come into play?  It is what gets in the way.

[SGOS]

A similar show but more dark ....
Earth Final Conflict

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7yJrmPXxY

I missed this show back in the 90s for some reason.  It's not unusual that I miss a series, but then discover it and become a fan after the series is over.  That's what happened with Stargate SG1 and Atlantis.   I just spent 15 minutes reading a few reviews from viewers, which left me undecided.  A general consensus of viewers seems to coalesce around the notion that it was a great first season that ended up drifting about aimlessly for the next 4 years.  What did you think of the series?

[peacewithoutgod]

Okay Your ready...It means to lead or to follow.

LOFL!




Show me a thesaurus entry which contains "lead", "follow", and "believe"!

Believers are known followers in that which he chooses and Believing leads you to that place of joy.

You cannot simply choose an idea, say you believe it, and by that believe it in reality - something has to happen in your head that makes it sensible to you. It's a process of reasoning, which can be driven by either you, as it should be, or by somebody else. I'd say the latter is what all of you foul fuckers do to babies, but they have no reasoning capacity, so you can just squat over their little heads and dump your shit directly in, no processing necessary! All babies are born atheist, not only because they are unable to process ideas, they are incapable of rationalizing them out. As soon as they are able to understand language, you fill their heads with your garbage before they can develop the ability to evaluate it for themselves and decide on their own whether it makes any good sense, knowing that once it's there it will be very hard for them to cull out later. You teach parents to do this to their children from the pulpit, believing that it's a wise strategy as is inoculation from pathogens (or maybe you're one of those stupid anti-vaxxers), but you never consider whether it's right to take away the ability of children to decide for themselves. This child indoctrination protects only you, who are afraid of seeing your ideas rejected by future generations for what they are, and the loss of your socio-political power through your religious organizations. What you do to a child's mind by telling them anything but truth before they reach the age of 6 is child abuse, and every such case of that should be prosecuted in a criminal court!

Whether or not your belief leads you to joy is completely irrelevant regarding the definition of belief. But with you it isn't a belief at all - it's a program! The only difference between your religion and the cults which sway teenagers is that the programming is done at an earlier age, thereby making the indoctrination camps unnecessary.

[Solomon Zorn]

Nice wording...Okay for one you trying to disprove GOD tells me you know something about GOD.

Bullshit. If you make an assertion about God, someone will refute it. It doesn't follow that they have any affirmative knowledge of God.

The real proof that GOD lives is not in any secular minds or educational facilities, the proof is in the man that walks and lives his life with the mind set of Pleasing GOD not man. The fruit of the tree should tell you what kind of tree your dealing with.

You don't see how dangerous that kind of thinking is, do you? God does not speak for himself. So what you have is the words of men to go by, when determining his will. No one can speak for God. Not now, not 2000 years ago.

Open your mind.

You too.

Now as for as my group as you say, we are people that don't need tax payers money For a meeting place because A REAL GOD meets his people any where.

I used to believe that.

And GOD DOES not need to protest to get people to believe , people that believe protest.

What if I protest about people who believe?

Funny..How easy is it for you dismiss what you don't understand. Don't you think it's odd that you say you have read the entire bible and it seems like your proud of it but yet you still do not understand one word... My friend the bible was meant for Believers only to understand truly.

I used to believe that too - back in Bible College, when I was studying to become a Christian minister. It's true that those who have never believed in the Bible, and taken it to heart by faith and obedience, don't understand "first hand" the delusion of it. But I can assure you, that some of us know exactly where you're coming from, and look back on you with pity.

Yes, That is the only way. How simple is that right. Confess all of your sins before Jesus Christ and ask that He come into your life. I look at it this way, if all of the work I have put into this life still doesn't fulfill me what harm can it do to ask God to help me....But remember this is for those of us that need help from someone greater than ourselves unless we think too highly of ourselves.

How highly you think of yourself: that God has graced you with divine knowledge, but not the rest of us poor misguided atheists.

[g2perk]

Alright I see your only good at combating other people's thoughts and lively hood but you can not state why your way is better than mine. You can not prove that their is a God and cannot prove that their isn't a God. You are stuck in the middle of nowhere and at like you know it all...Come on man please.

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[g2perk]

Bullshit. If you make an assertion about God, someone will refute it. It doesn't follow that they have any affirmative knowledge of God.
You don't see how dangerous that kind of thinking is, do you? God does not speak for himself. So what you have is the words of men to go by, when determining his will. No one can speak for God. Not now, not 2000 years ago.
You too.
I used to believe that.
What if I protest about people who believe?
I used to believe that too - back in Bible College, when I was studying to become a Christian minister. It's true that those who have never believed in the Bible, and taken it to heart by faith and obedience, don't understand "first hand" the delusion of it. But I can assure you, that some of us know exactly where you're coming from, and look back on you with pity.
How highly you think of yourself: that God has graced you with divine knowledge, but not the rest of us poor misguided atheists.

What made you not Believe anymore. I say anymore because you stated you went to bible school. You don't have to answer I am just curious. I promise you have never met a man of God like me before. My perspective on the bible is completely different than you can imagine.

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[peacewithoutgod]

Alright I see your only good at combating other people's thoughts and lively hood but you can not state why your way is better than mine. You can not prove that their is a God and cannot prove that their isn't a God. You are stuck in the middle of nowhere and at like you know it all

No, of course there's nothing better with teaching children to think for themselves, nor with resting much easier at night knowing that there are no demonic bogeymen stalking my "soul" and threatening my fantasized eternal existence, an idea which is far more burdensome to carry than hopeful. I'm in no hurry to die, being that this is likely the only life that I will ever get to experience, but I don't lose sleep over it anymore because I see clearly how unlikely that any suffering or regrets will be possible once it's over.

No, there's nothing better about teaching children to evaluate what they choose to believe regarding other people and what they do, to consider what they are told of them through the undistorted lens of rational inquiry. Ask all the people who you have made so fucking miserable for so many years with your cruel bullshit if their lives arn't better now that most people understand they don't harm others through what makes them different, that they physically need to be what they are without being persecuted for it, and how much do they really feel the weight of their "sin"!

...Come on man please.

[g2perk]

Bullshit. If you make an assertion about God, someone will refute it. It doesn't follow that they have any affirmative knowledge of God.
You don't see how dangerous that kind of thinking is, do you? God does not speak for himself. So what you have is the words of men to go by, when determining his will. No one can speak for God. Not now, not 2000 years ago.
You too.
I used to believe that.
What if I protest about people who believe?
I used to believe that too - back in Bible College, when I was studying to become a Christian minister. It's true that those who have never believed in the Bible, and taken it to heart by faith and obedience, don't understand "first hand" the delusion of it. But I can assure you, that some of us know exactly where you're coming from, and look back on you with pity.
How highly you think of yourself: that God has graced you with divine knowledge, but not the rest of us poor misguided atheists.

Okay I am highly blessed to be able to understand Gods words. Do you understand His words if not you can but you have to believe. That simple my friend.

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[g2perk]

LOFL!




Show me a thesaurus entry which contains "lead", "follow", and "believe"!


You cannot simply choose an idea, say you believe it, and by that believe it in reality - something has to happen in your head that makes it sensible to you. It's a process of reasoning, which can be driven by either you, as it should be, or by somebody else. I'd say the latter is what all of you foul fuckers do to babies, but they have no reasoning capacity, so you can just squat over their little heads and dump your shit directly in, no processing necessary! All babies are born atheist, not only because they are unable to process ideas, they are incapable of rationalizing them out. As soon as they are able to understand language, you fill their heads with your garbage before they can develop the ability to evaluate it for themselves and decide on their own whether it makes any good sense, knowing that once it's there it will be very hard for them to cull out later. You teach parents to do this to their children from the pulpit, believing that it's a wise strategy as is inoculation from pathogens (or maybe you're one of those stupid anti-vaxxers), but you never consider whether it's right to take away the ability of children to decide for themselves. This child indoctrination protects only you, who are afraid of seeing your ideas rejected by future generations for what they are, and the loss of your socio-political power through your religious organizations. What you do to a child's mind by telling them anything but truth before they reach the age of 6 is child abuse, and every such case of that should be prosecuted in a criminal court!

Whether or not your belief leads you to joy is completely irrelevant regarding the definition of belief. But with you it isn't a belief at all - it's a program! The only difference between your religion and the cults which sway teenagers is that the programming is done at an earlier age, thereby making the indoctrination camps unnecessary.

So let me get this straight..Criminal court should be involved in teaching a child to respect others, love people, help the poor, feed the hungry, and so on and so on...Come on man please...again stop listening to your fellow atheist. The bible teaches us to love people. You see it's people like you who try and interpret the bible with absolutely no understanding of it...

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[peacewithoutgod]

So let me get this straight..Criminal court should be involved in teaching a child to respect others, love people, help the poor, feed the hungry, and so on and so on...Come on man please...again stop listening to your fellow atheist. The bible teaches us to love people. You see it's people like you who try and interpret the bible with absolutely no understanding of it...

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...Come on man please...

[g2perk]

I do want to thank you for the conversation though. I find it refreshing to get new insights on how others view our messed up world.

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[Solomon Zorn]

What made you not Believe anymore. I say anymore because you stated you went to bible school. You don't have to answer I am just curious.

It was a long process. There was no single moment.

I promise you have never met a man of God like me before. My perspective on the bible is completely different than you can imagine.

I highly doubt it.

Okay I am highly blessed to be able to understand Gods words. Do you understand His words if not you can but you have to believe. That simple my friend.

I understand the scripture so much more clearly now that I don't have my GodGoggles on anymore. It's an attempt to control other people through a promise of reward-and-punishment in this life (Old Testament) or the next life (New Testament).

Most of it is mythology, that anyone who hasn't been indoctrinated from their youth, will find impossible to swallow. Like the creation story. Or the 29,040 feet of water that flooded the earth. Or the tower of Babel. Or Samson. Or parting the Red Sea. Or Jonah. Or the sun moving backwards. Or any of the pathetic "miracles" of Jesus.

That's all used to instill a fear of God as a preparation for indoctrination into the moral code, which is carefully crafted to control believers' behavior. Some of it is well-intended. But a lie is a lie, after all.

[g2perk]

If you understood What the bible says then you would know some of those are parables. The intent of the bible is not instill fear but to give a foundation of how to live in this crazy world. As for as the reward goes that is only for us that believe in the one which will give the reward. The punishment is just that you reap what you sow. I

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[Solomon Zorn]

NONE of the examples I gave are PARABLES!