Tolerance: Muslims Versus Jews

[josephpalazzo]

Setting up natural borders and borders based on language, is the work of the last 1000 years in Europe ... and they were mostly successful, at great cost.  There may be occasional over-reach like England into Ireland ... but the modern map is pretty reasonable compared to 100 years ago, or in say Pakistan.

Many of the European states were carved out after WW1, and the borders were established by the victors. There was some readjustments after WW2, but still those borders are anything but natural. The UK doesn't count.

[jonb]

Setting up natural borders and borders based on language, is the work of the last 1000 years in Europe ... and they were mostly successful, at great cost.  There may be occasional over-reach like England into Ireland ... but the modern map is pretty reasonable compared to 100 years ago, or in say Pakistan.

Some Active separatist movements in Europe.

[Baruch]

Separatism has many origins ... but non-integral territory or differing language or religion, has frequently caused conflicts.  There was reason for Nazi Germany to try to integrate other German speakers ... but not much reason to occupy all of France ... there were only limited German speakers in Alsace-Lorraine.  The Germans have never learned when to stop ;-(  If you compare Germany today vs what it was in before the Empire ... it is much more rational:

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/German_States1.html

There hasn't been much cause for Brittany to separate from France, as there is Catalonia from Spain.

[jonb]

And there are no black people or Jews in Texas right?
What gives you the idea anybody anywhere lives in nice crisp lines drawn on a map.

[josephpalazzo]

Separatism has many origins ... but non-integral territory or differing language or religion, has frequently caused conflicts.  There was reason for Nazi Germany to try to integrate other German speakers ... but not much reason to occupy all of France ... there were only limited German speakers in Alsace-Lorraine.  The Germans have never learned when to stop ;-(  If you compare Germany today vs what it was in before the Empire ... it is much more rational:

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/German_States1.html

There hasn't been much cause for Brittany to separate from France, as there is Catalonia from Spain.

Do you really believe people want to separate on account of language/religion only? Northern Italy wants to separate from the South mainly because they see the Southerners as a bunch of uneducated, unpolished and crass people. So there.

[pr126]

Do you really believe people want to separate on account of language/religion only? Northern Italy wants to separate from the South mainly because they see the Southerners as a bunch of uneducated, unpolished and crass people. So there.

Calabrese.   :c002:

But the food is good!

[josephpalazzo]

Calabrese.   :c002:

But the food is good!

Ma vaffanculo , you-a gotta put-a multo cheese-a to have-a multo sapore...

[Baruch]

Do you really believe people want to separate on account of language/religion only? Northern Italy wants to separate from the South mainly because they see the Southerners as a bunch of uneducated, unpolished and crass people. So there.

Lombardy ... blond Italians of German ancestry.  Calabria/Sicily ... olive skinned Italians of Greek/Arabic ancestry.  But I am sure the writ of organized crime runs in N Italy too, it is just more famous in the S.  Machiavelli was from N Italy.  Italians are held together I think, by mutual dislike of central government, in Rome.

[josephpalazzo]

Lombardy ... blond Italians of German ancestry.  Calabria/Sicily ... olive skinned Italians of Greek/Arabic ancestry.  But I am sure the writ of organized crime runs in N Italy too, it is just more famous in the S.  Machiavelli was from N Italy.  Italians are held together I think, by mutual dislike of central government, in Rome.

You've forgotten that the Vikings invaded Sicily, hence lots of them having blue eyes.

The North and South are together solely due to Garibaldi, who prior to that  practiced his war skills in Uruguay. Hence by your definition, Italy has made up borders, not natural.

[pr126]

Ma vaffanculo , you-a gotta put-a multo cheese-a to have-a multo sapore...

I have worked in Switzerland for 3 years with italian people way back in the '60s .
I do remember some Italian, and Ma vaffanculo I still remember well. Che ti è preso ?   Dio campanaro. 

[Baruch]

You've forgotten that the Vikings invaded Sicily, hence lots of them having blue eyes.

The North and South are together solely due to Garibaldi, who prior to that  practiced his war skills in Uruguay. Hence by your definition, Italy has made up borders, not natural.

United by a common language, but not until Dante made it so.  Great literature makes languages ... Dante made Italian, as Luther made German.

[CloneKai]

Wasn't the Taliban perceived as a danger to Pakistan?

not that much of a threat. Pakistan seems to had a little influence over the taliban.
but once Pakistan started helping America after 911. then they became a threat.

[josephpalazzo]

United by a common language,

Obviously you haven't heard a Venetian and a Sicilian talking - you might think that they are just different dialects...guess again, they are more different than French and Spanish. It's a myth that there is one language in Italy, it's more like a 101.

[jonb]

Obviously you haven't heard a Venetian and a Sicilian talking - you might think that they are just different dialects...guess again, they are more different than French and Spanish. It's a myth that there is one language in Italy, it's more like a 101.

Does it not strike you as even slightly odd that on one thread you are arguing how different Italians are, a subject we presume you have knowledge of, and on another you are arguing that all the different peoples from the Atlantic to China are all the same?

[Shiranu]

Does it not strike you as even slightly odd that on one thread you are arguing how different Italians are, a subject we presume you have knowledge of, and on another you are arguing that all the different peoples from the Atlantic to China are all the same?

Shh, that doesn't fit the agenda.