Pluto!!!

[trdsf]

A thought about Pluto's possible nitrogen glaciers -- we know that Pluto is entering its winter (for the next 63 years... I'll never bitch about Ohio winters again!); I wonder if the flow patterns were from nitrogen freezing out of its thin atmosphere as it cooled further...

[drunkenshoe]

Civility or incivility hasn't anything to do with it.  It just wasn't a debate I wanted to get into in the first place -- for that matter, I didn't even consider it a debate, just a difference of opinion.

What I will always react negatively to is not being disagreed with, but being told that I don't get it -- that is what I object to, and the inbuilt implication that if I did "get it", then I wouldn't disagree.  I get it perfectly well, and I come to a different conclusion, and some things do not have a definitive right or wrong to them.  Disagreement does not be disagreeable, and questioning my intellect and/or judgment is something I will always consider disagreeable.

I recommend completely dropping the matter now.  I certainly have nothing further to say on it.

Debate? Who handled it as a debate? You are taking this far too seriously. Also, apparently personally. My point was clear just in my second post when I talked about 'celebrating mediocrity' and 'hype'. I just elaborated the same thing with my following posts.

Did it just become relevant and 'a point worth discussing' finally when you got there? Because now, you are not just accepting that point after a while, you are also building another thing on it. Not that anything wrong with it, but your attitude reduce it to nothing.

You didn't get the point before, because you insisted on looking at his from supporting one person, which I mentioned a few times. You don't like the poster -me- or her style which is OK. Just please have the integrity to say so. This is how you started to this conversation and it got somewhere even with a half ass barren way, because I insisted on not accepting the 'agree to disagree' bullshit. If I acted the way you said people should, there wouldn't be anything. You are also projecting with your 'people cannot handle being disagreed with', because considering we just got to the same page and your admitted annoyance of having this conversation with me, everything you wrote before is just your reaction to being disagreed.

From the begining you kept complaining about my posts, my style, how I handle this, but in the end you continued even after a few days ago. You could have just said, 'OK, I disagree, why do you think that way, what do you have in mind?' in the first place. But, no, because how would it look like then, right? Conversation be damned. You just played reluctant, kept saying you didn't like/agree with what I am saying, blamed me with a lot of things on my expresion, didn't even follow or once thought what the fuck is she talking about and then you said, 'ah yes we have that culture...BUT.' You couldn't pass the poster to arrive to the subject, trdsf.

Telling someone that they don't get point in a topic is not an insult, neither it is a way of putting them down in a conversation. I don't get a LOT of things and first thing I do is to jump in with 'what the hell is this, I don't get the point, explain?' And I do not think myself fall in a position of 'stupid' or 'weak' in doing so. Very much on the contrary. As far as I am concerned that's a sign of intelligence. I'm sure, I look stupid to a lot of people in this forum, who the fuck cares. I enjoy here 5 times more than people who can't bother with reading a post more than 5 lines and express their opinion.

You know why? Because I'm not here to 'win' conversations, nor to look cool with my stance(s). If I desired something like that, I would jump on every religious or dogmatic idiot who enters the forum and slap them stupid right and left with the 500th thread of why 'atheists are immoral' and feel good and 'smart' with myself. I would choose very specific titles to post. I'm not doing any of that.

I just want people to jump over the bench and be bale to get in to some real conversation about the simplest things instead of jerking around and typing to the mirror.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would have thought there Oort to have been more craters?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Well I personally am not impressed because there just isn't the face of the Virgin Mary anywhere in those pictures. 

[Munch]

Well I personally am not impressed because there just isn't the face of the Virgin Mary anywhere in those pictures.

Yes, but doesn't it make you happy that the moon has the shape of an oversized woman's bum bending over?

[SGOS]

I would have thought there Oort to have been more craters?

Do they ever ban people for bad puns?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Do they ever ban people for bad puns?

As Boss Nass said to Qui-Gon Jinn, "He shall be pewnished."

[trdsf]

Debate? Who handled it as a debate? You are taking this far too seriously. Also, apparently personally.

You're the one who made it personal, not me.  Whatever.  You were given every opportunity to back down gracefully, and declined every one.  You have nothing further of any interest to me; I shall be adding you to my ignore filter now.  Goodbye.

[Solitary]

How could this go about Pluto to butts? I could understand if it was about Uranus.

[trdsf]

How could this go about Pluto to butts? I could understand if it was about Uranus.

Because if you went to Pluto you'd freeze your ass off?  :D

[Munch]

How could this go about Pluto to butts? I could understand if it was about Uranus.

Hey, it's Pluto that's mooning us with an upside down butt shot.

[Cocoa Beware]

This is incredible... enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlpyGhABXRA

[SGOS]

This is incredible... enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlpyGhABXRA

That was excellent.  I have to wonder who gets ideas to do things like that?  I was laughing out loud watching Neo look like he couldn't stand listening to another science lecture.  Carl Sagan and Hugo Weaving are a perfect fit.  Sheesh, that was funny.

I watched it three times.

[peacewithoutgod]

I like Tyson and admire him for what he does, but no they are not equally gifted, NOT even in the same league or position to be compared.

Carl Sagan has more than half a thousand scientific papers and made direct contribution to science. Also when he started to popularise science, that was something a NO-NO to do for a hard scientist in that period, he suffered from it, but didn't back down an inch. I'd like to see the new generation to do something like that. Yeah men with balls. Got to love them. No way around it. Very few.

He reached half a BILLION people over 50 countries on earth with Cosmos series -hi, I am one of them- also managed an influence all around the world in so epic porportions, in an era without the internet and popping up videos, when people didn't know what they were looking at, he redefined the way what people understand with the concept of nature. He carried the scale to its home; universe.

So there. Nobody is in the same league with Carl Sagan. He is stiill underrated.

Having watched the original Cosmos series and the reboot by NDT in their entirety, I can only agree that NDT is nothing comparable to Sagan. I give him kudos for trying to keep his memory alive, but nobody has exuded the personal love of his work as Sagan, who made you feel like he was taking you on a journey with him. When NDT tried to do the same, it was obvious that he was trying much too hard to fill another's shoes, the enthusiasm hardly seemed genuine. Also, I didn't feel like the NDT reboot was overall nearly as well executed as the original, despite the improved visual content from better telescopes and satellite imagery, and this too may be that his heart wasn't really there, or that it was all too personal for him (the sentimental experience when he met Sagan) which distracted him from overseeing smoothness in the production. Then he had to go with those really bad cartoons in place of acted scenes, which was just plain horrible because there was nothing life-like or emotional about these at all.

[stromboli]

I've watched both Sagan and NDT over the years including Sagan's many appearances on the Tonight Show (Johnny Carson) Bear in mind that Sagan was unique; the first really popular scientist that gave a voice to what was then media wise, new territory. Sagan could be boring. Carson himself started to mock him in small ways, because he tended to hyperbolize everything (millions and millions of stars) so he was by no means perfect. His writings were better by far, well written and thoughtful.

NDT in many respects is forced to live in his shadow. Any effort to reboot or even do a new series is going to be compared to Sagan. But I don't judge NDT on that basis. Read his bio. He is his own man and has not made any effort to ridicule or criticize Sagan for his own gain; that tells me he is not small minded or jealous. NDT is one of the most personable and quotable of modern faces of science, and most importantly almost universally liked. He is a black man that does not use his position to politicize race but continually emphasizes science and education. Right now he is the right man. I for one do not compare the two, and NDT to me is just fine.