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Started by Givemeareason, May 15, 2015, 03:33:13 PM

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Givemeareason

I was recently speaking with someone about egos that we encounter so I decided to tie it in here.   My feeling is that there are big egos and small egos with the fragile egos existing somewhere in between.  The small egos can be perceived as often quiet observant people and are probably often found in churches where they can get the support they need.  The fragile egos are the ones out here making all the trouble.  They too are often found in churches where they can feel better about themselves by exercising their need to control others.  But the big egos are the ones who think for themselves and consequently often find little use for churches.  My guess is that many Athiests have some pretty big egos.  What do you think.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

SGOS

I think believing you have a personal god who created you IN HIS OWN IMAGE and who is there listening all the time to fulfill your requests takes a whoppin' big ego and a shit bucket full of arrogance.

Givemeareason

Quote from: SGOS on May 15, 2015, 03:48:26 PM
I think believing you have a personal god who created you IN HIS OWN IMAGE and who is there listening all the time to fulfill your requests takes a whoppin' big ego and a shit bucket full of arrogance.

Actually I think the opposite.  Being a Christian forces a person  to become self rightious in that they must believe they are right.  The reason they became Christian or remained Christian is generally a matter of ego.  The smaller ego seeks security and the fragile ego needs to be satisfied.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

1liesalot

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Quote from: Givemeareason on May 15, 2015, 03:33:13 PM
I was recently speaking with someone about egos that we encounter so I decided to tie it in here.   My feeling is that there are big egos and small egos with the fragile egos existing somewhere in between.  The small egos can be perceived as often quiet observant people and are probably often found in churches where they can get the support they need.  The fragile egos are the ones out here making all the trouble.  They too are often found in churches where they can feel better about themselves by exercising their need to control others.  But the big egos are the ones who think for themselves and consequently often find little use for churches.  My guess is that many Athiests have some pretty big egos.  What do you think.

We're in good company then, because God has the biggest fuck off ego of us all.

Givemeareason

Quote from: 1liesalot on May 15, 2015, 05:00:43 PM
We're in good company then, because God has the biggest fuck off ego of us all.

But we all want to recruit christians as athiests?  They like to recruit us.  Dwelling on all the reasons we hate Christianity will not help that cause.  So why don't we first try to understand why they are christian?
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

1liesalot

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 15, 2015, 05:15:34 PM
But we all want to recruit christians as athiests?  They like to recruit us.  Dwelling on all the reasons we hate Christianity will not help that cause.  So why don't we first try to understand why they are christian?

I'm sure I'm not saying anything ground breaking but I believe Christians need to take solace in the notion that there is an afterlife. They're afraid to die. It's difficult to persuade people to overcome that.

As for the ones who believe in eternal hellfire, those people I will never understand.

Unbeliever

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 15, 2015, 03:33:13 PM
I was recently speaking with someone about egos that we encounter so I decided to tie it in here.   My feeling is that there are big egos and small egos with the fragile egos existing somewhere in between.  The small egos can be perceived as often quiet observant people and are probably often found in churches where they can get the support they need.  The fragile egos are the ones out here making all the trouble.  They too are often found in churches where they can feel better about themselves by exercising their need to control others.  But the big egos are the ones who think for themselves and consequently often find little use for churches.  My guess is that many Athiests have some pretty big egos.  What do you think.

I think Sigmund Freud has been discredited, and there's no such thing as an "ego."
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Green Bottle

Well i dont consider myself as having a big ego, but anyone who asks gets the same answer, im an Atheist and Religion is a lotta shite............................ :shifty:
God doesnt exist, but if he did id tell him to ''Fuck Off''

Givemeareason

Quote from: Green Bottle on May 15, 2015, 06:10:22 PM
Well i dont consider myself as having a big ego, but anyone who asks gets the same answer, im an Atheist and Religion is a lotta shite............................ :shifty:

Well if you stop saying that you might find a lot more people to talk to.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Green Bottle

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 15, 2015, 06:32:11 PM
Well if you stop saying that you might find a lot more people to talk to.
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But if they're going to spout the usual religious rubbish that i've heard before  over an over again well i dont really want to speak to them..........
God doesnt exist, but if he did id tell him to ''Fuck Off''

aitm

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 15, 2015, 04:22:27 PM
Actually I think the opposite.  Being a Christian forces a person  to become self rightious in that they must believe they are right.  The reason they became Christian or remained Christian is generally a matter of ego.  The smaller ego seeks security and the fragile ego needs to be satisfied.
I kinda have to disagree with the premise. A christian already understands that their god made "them" in "his" image. God after all, is "our" lord. Everything connected with any religion assumes a great familiarity with the creator. This is the basic premise of the whole ego laden bullshit that spurs dozens of phobias and ego laden schizoids. It is the same premise that suffers the backlash of the unanswered prayer where so many go off the fucking whack-a-doodle track. Christians, like any religions are scared shitless, well, real christians are anyway, the majority are not real christians anyway, but the minority are scared shitless about death and yes they need security, but still, the premise of the whole scam is that GOD made YOU in HIS "Image"…my ain't you special eh?
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Givemeareason

Quote from: aitm on May 15, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
I kinda have to disagree with the premise. A christian already understands that their god made "them" in "his" image. God after all, is "our" lord. Everything connected with any religion assumes a great familiarity with the creator. This is the basic premise of the whole ego laden bullshit that spurs dozens of phobias and ego laden schizoids. It is the same premise that suffers the backlash of the unanswered prayer where so many go off the fucking whack-a-doodle track. Christians, like any religions are scared shitless, well, real christians are anyway, the majority are not real christians anyway, but the minority are scared shitless about death and yes they need security, but still, the premise of the whole scam is that GOD made YOU in HIS "Image"…my ain't you special eh?

While they might be scared shitless if they lost their faith, I don't think they worry about that much while they are still within it.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Aupmanyav

I am a strong atheist but Eastern thought, Hinduism and Buddhism, have destroyed my ego. Hinduism says I am an illusion, Buddhism says I have no 'atta' (substance) and am only the sum of conditions (skandhas). Otherwise I might have had a big ego. :D
"Brahma Satyam Jagan-mithya" (Brahman is the truth, the observed is an illusion)
"Sarve Khalu Idam Brahma" (All this here is Brahman)

SGOS

Quote from: Aupmanyav on May 16, 2015, 01:35:48 AM
I am a strong atheist but Eastern thought, Hinduism and Buddhism, have destroyed my ego. Hinduism says I am an illusion, Buddhism says I have no 'atta' (substance) and am only the sum of conditions (skandhas). Otherwise I might have had a big ego. :D

Western Christians make a big deal about their humility.  They flaunt it, compare theirs with others, pretend to be loaded with the stuff.  They tell each other they are better than the others who do not have humility.  They do this while they judge others, discriminate, an behave like assholes to those they see as inferior.  Christian humility is a lie that has become a meme, like the belief that "Republicans are good money managers." 

Mostly it's Christians who buy it.  It's an illusion.  Instead of being humble, they puff themselves up like the judgmental egocentric god they created and to which they ascribe all the most abhorrent personality traits that they refuse to see in themselves, and then they proceed to worship this icon of the worst in human behavior.

the_antithesis

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 15, 2015, 03:33:13 PM
I was recently speaking with someone about egos that we encounter so I decided to tie it in here.   My feeling is that there are big egos and small egos with the fragile egos existing somewhere in between.  The small egos can be perceived as often quiet observant people and are probably often found in churches where they can get the support they need.  The fragile egos are the ones out here making all the trouble.  They too are often found in churches where they can feel better about themselves by exercising their need to control others.  But the big egos are the ones who think for themselves and consequently often find little use for churches.  My guess is that many Athiests have some pretty big egos.  What do you think.

I fail to see this as anything but intentional trolling.

Good day.