The connection between Atheism and religion

Givemeareason · April 29, 2015, 04:29:18 PM

This is how atheists need to understand our connection to religion.

"The problem with writing about religion is that you run the risk of offending sincerely religious people, and then they come after you with machetes. So I am going to be very sensitive, here, which is not easy, because the thing about religion is that everybody else's always appears stupid.

For example, if you read about some religious sect in India that believes God wants people to drink their own urine, you don't say to yourself, "Isn't it amazing, the diversity of belief systems man has developed in his never-ending quest to understand and cope with the intricate moral dilemmas posed by a complex and uncertain world?" No, what you say to yourself is, "These people have the brains of a trout."

Meanwhile, over in India, the sect members are getting a major chuckle over the fact that some American basketball players cross themselves before they take foul shots. "As if God cares about foul shots!" the sect members howl, tears streaming down their faces. "Say, is this my urine or yours?"

http://www.comedy-lounge.com/jokes/BarryReligion.htm

Munch · April 29, 2015, 04:59:24 PM

Sooooo.. your saying dumb fuck theists are their cult behaviour is something we should just ignore and let them carry on doing?

Should apply to the forced marriage and rape of 9 year olds?

Givemeareason · April 29, 2015, 05:06:50 PM

Quote from: Munch on April 29, 2015, 04:59:24 PM
Sooooo.. your saying dumb fuck theists are their cult behaviour is something we should just ignore and let them carry on doing?

Should apply to the forced marriage and rape of 9 year olds?

Those are some pretty extreme examples. Religion has long been the means by which a society condones evil. But that does not mean that religion is evil.. it is the people using it. You are trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Munch · April 29, 2015, 05:33:05 PM

Actually religion pretty much invents evil as a scapegoat, and then twists immoral acts to be acceptable standards in their eyes.

Mr.Obvious · April 29, 2015, 06:08:10 PM

Giveme, do me a favor and pick an avatar? I don't care if it sucks but you're been popping up all over The forum and i like a 'face' to keep in mind when talking with or about someone.
If you have time to start all these threads you should technically have The time to pick one.

Mike Cl · April 29, 2015, 06:37:30 PM

Quote from: Givemeareason on April 29, 2015, 05:06:50 PM
Those are some pretty extreme examples. Religion has long been the means by which a society condones evil. But that does not mean that religion is evil.. it is the people using it. You are trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

That's quite the doublespeak there, Giveme. Hitler wasn't evil, just his ideas. Stalin wasn't evil, just his actions. The pope ordering the crusades was not evil, just his twisted ideas? That makes no sense!

In the case of religion, the baby stillborn--it needs to go out with the bathwater.

Givemeareason · April 30, 2015, 01:32:33 PM

Quote from: Munch on April 29, 2015, 05:33:05 PM
Actually religion pretty much invents evil as a scapegoat, and then twists immoral acts to be acceptable standards in their eyes.

That's a good observation. Then they have the audacity to think everyone else should conform to their views and morals as if we can't decide that on our own. Christianity is way overdue for an update. But if there was a way to wipe out the religion something else just as ignorant would pop up and replace it. The problem is not religion... it's human behavior.

Givemeareason · April 30, 2015, 01:36:35 PM

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 29, 2015, 06:08:10 PM
Giveme, do me a favor and pick an avatar? I don't care if it sucks but you're been popping up all over The forum and i like a 'face' to keep in mind when talking with or about someone.
If you have time to start all these threads you should technically have The time to pick one.

Thank you for suggesting that. I do need an identity. Btw, I love your name. :-)

Givemeareason · April 30, 2015, 01:41:05 PM

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 29, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
That's quite the doublespeak there, Giveme. Hitler wasn't evil, just his ideas. Stalin wasn't evil, just his actions. The pope ordering the crusades was not evil, just his twisted ideas? That makes no sense!

In the case of religion, the baby stillborn--it needs to go out with the bathwater.

Hahaha... it should have been aborted.

Savior2006 · April 30, 2015, 01:44:05 PM

If the actions of a religious person never affected me or others in any negative way, then I wouldn't care.

I wouldn't care at all about some idiot talking about how the planet is 6,000 years old and how evolution is "liberal propaganda" if there was literally zero chance of that person getting elected and passing any laws whatsoever.

doorknob · April 30, 2015, 01:48:04 PM

Givemeareason You seem so ready to defend religion but what I want to ask is Why?

There is no need for religion. And now that we have science more and more people are falling away from their superstitious teachings and they aren't replacing it with anything else. Do you have people converting from one religion to another? sure. But there are not too many new religions popping up all over the place to replace the old ones. More people are becoming atheists especially the young. Also I think access to the internet has helped with that as well.

Do you think that we would be better off with out religion or don't you?

Givemeareason · April 30, 2015, 02:00:29 PM

Quote from: doorknob on April 30, 2015, 01:48:04 PM
Givemeareason You seem so ready to defend religion but what I want to ask is Why?

There is no need for religion. And now that we have science more and more people are falling away from their superstitious teachings and they aren't replacing it with anything else. Do you have people converting from one religion to another? sure. But there are not too many new religions popping up all over the place to replace the old ones. More people are becoming atheists especially the young. Also I think access to the internet has helped with that as well.

Do you think that we would be better off with out religion or don't you?

I don't think we as a species are ready relinquish religion. Many are not rational.

doorknob · April 30, 2015, 02:38:47 PM

I feel like you evaded the question.

Sure maybe that's true that many humans are not ready to dispense with religion but that's no reason to support it. That's just making a statement of how you view the world right now.

Do you support religion or not?

Givemeareason · April 30, 2015, 03:01:05 PM

Quote from: doorknob on April 30, 2015, 02:38:47 PM
I feel like you evaded the question.

Sure maybe that's true that many humans are not ready to dispense with religion but that's no reason to support it. That's just making a statement of how you view the world right now.

Do you support religion or not?

Yes, I do support it. As stupid as it is.

Solitary · April 30, 2015, 04:10:55 PM

That's like supporting a terrorist because they have a good cause while being evil.

Any good the religion does can be done without religion, but only religion can do good and make the world a living hell like objecting to birth control and never questioning authority.

:fU: Solitary

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