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The Most Merciful Of Those Who Show Mercy?

Started by ConfusedSkeptic, April 16, 2015, 11:44:44 AM

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ConfusedSkeptic

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I read this verse a while back, and it stuck with me. I think that it supports my point. That is: I can't see the wisdom or mercy behind God's act.

This is my understanding of the verse:

When the angels didn't find any logical explanation for why God would create, knowing that His creation will be disobedient, God said in the verse: "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." In other words, God is saying that He works in mysterious ways, and that we can't comprehend His wisdom.

My point, that I was trying to imply, is that some people would use this verse to explain God's act. However, is this a good response? Should I accept that I simply can't comprehend God's wisdom, and trust that He's working for the ultimate good even thought I can't see it?

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Quote from: ConfusedSkeptic on April 16, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
I read this verse a while back, and it stuck with me. I think that it supports my point. That is: I can't see the wisdom or mercy behind God's act.

This is my understanding of the verse:

When the angels didn't find any logical explanation for why God would create, knowing that His creation will be disobedient, God said in the verse: "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." In other words, God is saying that He works in mysterious ways, and that we can't comprehend His wisdom.

My point, that I was trying to imply, is that some people would use this verse to explain God's act. However, is this a good response? Should I accept that I simply can't comprehend God's wisdom, and trust that He's working for the ultimate good even thought I can't see it?
One way of attacking this for you could be this:  Do some research and find out how that verse came to be.  In other words, what is the history of your holy book?  Are there several different versions?  If so, how did that happen?  What is supposed to be the source of the book?  How do you know that is accurate?  Why would your god, or any god, simply give his word to one man when he could just as easily give it to everyone in every language? 

From my point of view,  holy books are simply political documents created by men to control other men.  Look at the world as a whole.  Why would the Arabs get one book, the Jews another, the Hindu's another, the Christians another, etc.????  Would not a creator god have enough power and wisdom to set up one set of instructions? 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

stromboli

I don't want to rehash all the shit that's been posted on similar topics from beforehand, but suffice it to say that god in context doesn't make sense.

Why does a perfect god all to himself entire and needing nothing have the need to be worshiped? such that he had to create an entire universe just to house one species on a backwater planet?

Why is he jealous of other gods if he is the only god that exists?

Why does he offer free agency when the only other choice is eternal damnation?

Why did he make man curious and capable of learning and becoming greater by doing so, and then insist he follow a dogmatic belief system that is inherently contradictory and flawed?

Various scientists-Lawrence Krauss, Stephen Hawking and others- have created models wherein a universe could be created without a god. We are only beginning to discover the true makeup of the universe. God is no longer required to create us or to make our existence, so and need is gone. Feel free to explore your universe and ignore the BS that religion presents.