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So what is hell like anyway?

Started by MagetheEntertainer, September 13, 2014, 06:42:56 PM

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MagetheEntertainer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsLAj4eURUM&list=UU7YOGHUfC1Tb6E4pudI9STA

Christian hell is pretty fucking weak when it comes to the whole torture for eternity thing.

Munch

likewise christian heaven isn't that great either compared to other religions version of it. Christians spend eternity kissing gods ass, while.. I think its Buddhism, you become your own god or something?
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goodwithoutgod

hell is allegedly a place devoid of god, thus devoid of good, no fire, no pitchforks, no little demons running around, no eternity in pain.

Source is Reason, Faith and Tradition by Martin C. Albl, Chapter 7 page 188 â€" describing hell.

"We begin with a reminder of limitations of our language. Since hell, according to Christian doctrine, is a supernatural reality, it can only be described in analogies. Holy Scripture teaches us the essence of hell in images. When it speaks of the fire of hell, it is not to be understood in a grossly realistic sense. The images of fire and pain were ways of expressing the essential Christian understanding of hell â€" that it is a separation from God. We may define heaven as simply being with God, and hell, in contrast, is simply being without God. It is thus an existence without goodness and without meaning."


AllPurposeAtheist

Visit Columbia, South Carolina. Hell.. That is all.
All hail my new signature!

Admit it. You're secretly green with envy.

Munch

Quote from: goodwithoutgod on September 13, 2014, 08:33:13 PM
hell is allegedly a place devoid of god, thus devoid of good, no fire, no pitchforks, no little demons running around, no eternity in pain.

Source is Reason, Faith and Tradition by Martin C. Albl, Chapter 7 page 188 â€" describing hell.

"We begin with a reminder of limitations of our language. Since hell, according to Christian doctrine, is a supernatural reality, it can only be described in analogies. Holy Scripture teaches us the essence of hell in images. When it speaks of the fire of hell, it is not to be understood in a grossly realistic sense. The images of fire and pain were ways of expressing the essential Christian understanding of hell â€" that it is a separation from God. We may define heaven as simply being with God, and hell, in contrast, is simply being without God. It is thus an existence without goodness and without meaning."

So hell is quite simply an eternity without god in metaphor.
Sounds like paradise to me.

but we all know the rules of hell like the rule of the bible change and contradict itself every time its explained, so we can make up our own rules for how it would be. My hells gonna be on a beach surrounded my hot guys.
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GrinningYMIR

Quote from: Munch on September 13, 2014, 09:08:22 PM
So hell is quite simply an eternity without god in metaphor.
Sounds like paradise to me.

but we all know the rules of hell like the rule of the bible change and contradict itself every time its explained, so we can make up our own rules for how it would be. My hells gonna be on a beach surrounded my hot guys.

All of the hot guys look like Edward James Olmos, and by hot, you mean they all have the flu
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Munch

Quote from: GrinningYMIR on September 13, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
All of the hot guys look like Edward James Olmos, and by hot, you mean they all have the flu
Ah but apparently gods the one who torments people, so if God isn't there, I could make friends with lucifer and have all the man serpents I want.
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Hakurei Reimu

Sorry, mage, but the notion that isopropyl alcohol burns cooler than other flames is dead wrong. Look at the flames. The alcohol flames, while feeble, is unmistakably blue. That indicates a hotter flame, >10,000 K. Alcohol may ignite at only a few hundred degrees, but it burns much hotter, as indicated by the blue color of its flame. It doesn't glow very strongly because, being a light fuel, it doesn't form the carbon particulates that are actually what you see in an orange glowing flame.

The reason why you can get away with an alcohol flame is because your normal alcohol is usually mixed with water (thus absorbing much of the released energy), and that the alcohol doesn't have much heat of combustion and a small droplet is not much fuel of any kind. This combination of factors means that you can burn some store-bought isopropyl alcohol on your desktop or wetted sparingly on your skin without much harm.

Gathered in bulk, in a lake of pure alcohol burning for hundreds of years, and the situation changes. It becomes equivalent to sitting in a big can of burning sterno (much the same stuff), and that stuff can certainly set light to paper or you. It really doesn't matter what kind of fuel you're sitting in, you get burned just the same.
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PickelledEggs

Quote from: Hydra009 on September 14, 2014, 12:36:45 AM
During the summer.  :P

Lol I'm not sure he's talking about the temperature....

Hydra009

Trust me, whatever's wrong with South Carolina is exacerbated tenfold at unbearable upper 90s heat combined with high humidity.

Hydra009

My version of hell:  imagine Texas if it had a never-ending summer, lots of africanized honeybees, and everyone's a Jesus freak.  Plus, the only internet provider is Comcast, the only movies star either Adam Sandler or Jim Carrey, the only standup comic is Carlos Mencia, and the video games are all made by EA, which require Origin to run.  Oh, and the radio has this on repeat 24/7.

PickelledEggs

Quote from: Hydra009 on September 14, 2014, 01:07:58 AM
My version of hell:  imagine Texas if it had a never-ending summer, lots of africanized honeybees, and everyone's a Jesus freak.  Plus, the only internet provider is Comcast, the only movies star either Adam Sandler or Jim Carrey, the only standup comic is Carlos Mencia, and the video games are all made by EA, which require Origin to run.  Oh, and the radio has this on repeat 24/7. And radios are stationed everywhere and stuck in the "on" position.

fify*

SGOS

Quote from: goodwithoutgod on September 13, 2014, 08:33:13 PM
hell is allegedly a place devoid of god, thus devoid of good, no fire, no pitchforks, no little demons running around, no eternity in pain.

Source is Reason, Faith and Tradition by Martin C. Albl, Chapter 7 page 188 â€" describing hell.

"We begin with a reminder of limitations of our language. Since hell, according to Christian doctrine, is a supernatural reality, it can only be described in analogies. Holy Scripture teaches us the essence of hell in images. When it speaks of the fire of hell, it is not to be understood in a grossly realistic sense. The images of fire and pain were ways of expressing the essential Christian understanding of hell â€" that it is a separation from God. We may define heaven as simply being with God, and hell, in contrast, is simply being without God. It is thus an existence without goodness and without meaning."

Almost everything about the above description differs (and differs greatly) from the Christian Hell I was taught, as a Christian.  It's a more appealing version of Hell, something less scary, but it's just Martin Albl's description.  And having never been there, he really can't say it's anything more than conjecture.  In fact, his version of Hell and my version of Hell are both bullshit.  When you die, your brain decomposes and you are left with no apparatus with which to experience anything, and so Heaven and Hell, even if they did exist, would be irrelevant.

Youssuf Ramadan

AFAIK the initial idea of hell came from the Valley of Gehinnom (Gehinnam, depending on dialect) where people used to be sacrificed centuries ago, and where people used to dump their crap, dead animals, dead enemies etc. and someone used to set fire to it every now and again when it started to smell too bad.  I saw a picture of it covered in snow a while back - so hell does indeed freeze over.    :dance: