There is no moral imperative in atheism

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stromboli

#30
February 15, 2013, 12:01:28 AM
Morality is an agreed upon societal contract. Standards of moral conduct have existed down through time, before your religion existed as well. Better read your bible. The moral standard in it includes the allowance of rape and murder or execution for such things as blasphemy and missing church on sunday.

Bibliofagus

#31
February 15, 2013, 03:26:48 AM
Quote from: "augustine"If God does not exist (..) They still must have a reason to reject the Christian God.

Lol. Well done my friend.
Could it be that he does not exist is a sufficient reason to reject him?
[spoil:37bjn1un]Furthermore your christian god is a prick.[/spoil:37bjn1un]
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Quote from: \"AllPurposeAtheist\"The moral high ground was dug up and made into a walmart apparently today.

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Fidel_Castronaut

#32
February 15, 2013, 03:34:33 AM
Quote from: "augustine"
Quote from: "aitm"God(s) have no right nor reason to judge humanity.


Prove it.

Oops, you appear to have made a logical fallacy and shifted the burden of proof.

In order to demonstrate that morality derives from divine guidance, you need to:

1. Define your god including all its attributes to a sufficient standard
2. Then prove that said god has created and instilled said morality into humanity on an equal and, above all, tangible basis (you are making a claim that this is true, so it must be verifiable and testable).

Please do so:
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Plu

#33
February 15, 2013, 03:38:34 AM
Also explain moral behaviour in people before god entered the picture, as there are countless civilizations that did not follow your god and still had morals, as well as a number of civilizations that have existed since before your god claims to have created the world that had morals.

Horsefly

#34
February 15, 2013, 06:12:13 AM
Quote from: "augustine"And if there is a morality that emerges, how do you know which one to follow? How do you know to follow the ones that disagree with the Bible, verses the ones that agree with it? Can you just pick the ones that disagree?

How do you know to follow the Bible and not the Quran, Torah, Bagavadgita, etc? Which god's morality is absolute? If you're honest with yourself, you'll realize that your religion depends more on your parents and your place of birth.

Furthermore, which of your chosen gods' rules are absolute? I can show you that slavery is ok, using the New Testament, the Old Testament, and the Quran. Do you believe slavery is morally wrong? How did we arrive at the conclusion that slavery is wrong if god doesn't tell us so?

Mathias

#35
February 15, 2013, 06:48:46 AM
Quote from: "augustine"
Quote from: "Navynukeman"
Quote from: "augustine"If God does not exist, the atheist still requires some ground for their criticisms of Christianity. They still must have a reason to reject the Christian God.

Is the fact that there is no evidence for the reliability of the bible not suitable for criticizing christianity?????


There is tons of evidence for the reliability of the Bible. I have been in seminary libraries where there are millions and millions of books devoted to the academic study of the Bible. Go online and look up Bruce Metzger or FF Bruce or someone like that. There is tons of evidence for the reliability of the Bible.


Of course this completely ignores the original points.

There is tons of evidence that the bible is a book that demonstrates the cultural and religious point of view, as people were back then, with much poetry and ridiculous instructions, nothing more. Almost all the information analyzed show that all the gospels were written by dozens of people (if not more) and adulterated. Archaeology has shown inconsistencies with many episodes described as facts; and logic  coupled with our current knowledge shows that there is unprecedented childish drivel, like the tower of Babel and Noah's ark, for example. The bible is as reliable as the magazines from Marvel, but the magazines are much nicer!
"There is no logic in the existence of any god".
Myself.

the_antithesis

#36
February 15, 2013, 09:43:04 AM
Quote from: "augustine"There is no moral imperative in atheism, so you cannot logically argue against the crimes of Christianity.

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Mister Agenda

#37
February 15, 2013, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: "augustine"There is no moral imperative in atheism, so you cannot logically argue against the crimes of Christianity. An atheist can NEVER, NEVER, NEVER say that the crusades were "wrong", because no such category exists for atheists. For the atheist, there are merely different ethical theories that would approach an issue of the morality of the crusades differently.

Atheists break with their belief system when they try to argue that there is some objective standard against which they can argue the Bible is a book of violence and genocide. For the atheist, these categories have no moral authority.

Atheists who want to be consistent with their beliefs would prove their ethical categories before they attacked the Bible.

There is no morality in theism. Theism does not equal Christianity. Theism is not a moral system or a worldview. Neither is atheism. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Humanism is an atheistic philosophy centered on a moral system, address that.
Atheists are not anti-Christian. They are anti-stupid.--WitchSabrina

Mister Agenda

#38
February 15, 2013, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: "wolf39us"Where did I make a claim against the bible?

He's talking to the atheist he had in his head when he decided to start the thread.
Atheists are not anti-Christian. They are anti-stupid.--WitchSabrina

Mister Agenda

#39
February 15, 2013, 10:18:35 AM
Quote from: "augustine"That is the hallmark of the atheist movement, to claim the Bible is genocidal, misogynistic, fascistic, etc. Atheists routinely make those claims, in fact I have seen them on this board.

There isn't an atheist movement. There are a variety of movements that atheists are prominent in, but none of those (the secularist movement, the skeptics movement, the atheist rights movement, even the humanist movement) are exclusively atheist. It makes no more sense to say there's an atheist movement (I know, many atheists say there's such a movement as well) than to say there's a theist movement. It is the essence of bigotry to think you can generalize about people from knowing only one of their opinions.
Atheists are not anti-Christian. They are anti-stupid.--WitchSabrina

Jason78

#40
February 15, 2013, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: "augustine"There is no moral imperative in atheism

Of course there isn't.  An atheist is a person that has no belief in gods.
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buttfinger

#41
February 15, 2013, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: "stromboli"Morality is an agreed upon societal contract.
Not really.  Laws are.  Morals are cultural and often personal.  The contract exists in the form of laws, which have penalties for breaking them.  There is not necessarily any penalty for behaving immorally, and often the immoral act is legal.

buttfinger

#42
February 15, 2013, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: "the_antithesis"
Quote from: "augustine"There is no moral imperative in atheism, so you cannot logically argue against the crimes of Christianity.

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What a well-reasoned, thought-provoking, well written, and compelling argument.

In case you didn't get that, I was being sarcastic.  That post is no better than apologist spam, and in some ways is worse.

BarkAtTheMoon

#43
February 15, 2013, 11:24:04 AM
Sure didn't take very long after the database reset for this dumb topic to pop up again.  :roll:
"When you landed on the moon, that was the point when God should have come up and said hello. Because if you invent some creatures and you put them on the blue one and they make it to the grey one, then you fucking turn up and say, 'Well done.' It's just a polite thing to do." - Eddie Izzard

wolf39us

#44
February 15, 2013, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: "buttfinger"
Quote from: "the_antithesis"
Quote from: "augustine"There is no moral imperative in atheism, so you cannot logically argue against the crimes of Christianity.

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What a well-reasoned, thought-provoking, well written, and compelling argument.

In case you didn't get that, I was being sarcastic.  That post is no better than apologist spam, and in some ways is worse.

I was thinking the same thing butt lol
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