Should Atheist Be More Moderate About Religious Dogma?

Started by Solitary, May 23, 2014, 05:09:59 PM

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Solitary

May 23, 2014, 05:09:59 PM Last Edit: May 26, 2014, 03:00:20 PM by Solitary
From Austin Cline, your Guide to Atheism:
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There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

AllPurposeAtheist

#1
May 23, 2014, 05:29:07 PM
Yes, accept they believe this outrageous bullshit and be tolerant of their fucking idiotic way of thinking.
I guess that's moderation as opposed to their way of EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE!
All hail my new signature!

Admit it. You're secretly green with envy.

DunkleSeele

#2
May 23, 2014, 05:40:21 PM
Both history and present events show that religious folks always had and still have a penchant for real persecution, torture and murder of those whom they perceived as "heathens". Please excuse me if I don't give a flying French coitus when they get all offended at our criticism of their disgusting beliefs. In fact, they should thank their imaginary gawd for making us atheists so nice.

Solitary

#3
May 23, 2014, 05:50:24 PM
What ever you say proud ass. You really need a sense of humor. Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Mermaid

#4
May 23, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
I do what I can to be moderate. I think it's just as bad to be a militant atheist as it is to be a militant (insert religious proclivity of choice here).
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

DunkleSeele

#5
May 23, 2014, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on May 23, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
I do what I can to be moderate. I think it's just as bad to be a militant atheist as it is to be a militant (insert religious proclivity of choice here).
It all depends on what it is meant by "militant atheist". Criticism of oppressive ideologies doesn't fall in that category, in my opinion.

Gawdzilla Sama

#6
May 23, 2014, 06:12:40 PM
No.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Mermaid

#8
May 23, 2014, 08:59:11 PM
Quote from: DunkleSeele on May 23, 2014, 05:59:40 PM
It all depends on what it is meant by "militant atheist". Criticism of oppressive ideologies doesn't fall in that category, in my opinion.
Hm. I think the line I draw is attempt to indoctrinate.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

The Skeletal Atheist

#9
May 23, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
For my part I will never be moderate towards those who would wish death on me.
Some people need to be beaten with a smart stick.

Kein Mehrheit Fur Die Mitleid!

Kein Mitlied F�r Die Mehrheit!

Mermaid

#10
May 23, 2014, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on May 23, 2014, 08:59:11 PM
Hm. I think the line I draw is attempt to indoctrinate.
Maybe I need to be more specific. Indoctrinate or control my life choices.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

phattmatt

#11
May 23, 2014, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: DunkleSeele on May 23, 2014, 05:40:21 PM
Both history and present events show that religious folks always had and still have a penchant for real persecution, torture and murder of those whom they perceived as "heathens". Please excuse me if I don't give a flying French coitus when they get all offended at our criticism of their disgusting beliefs. In fact, they should thank their imaginary gawd for making us atheists so nice.
lol
Thank you jesus for making atheists so nice.  It was meeting so many good altruistic people who were heathens, fornicators, unbelievers, gluttons, heretics, and homosexuals that lead me away from my beliefs especially the hell dogma

DunkleSeele

#12
May 24, 2014, 01:34:38 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on May 23, 2014, 09:17:40 PM
Maybe I need to be more specific. Indoctrinate or control my life choices.
Then we basically agree.

GalacticBusDriver

#13
May 24, 2014, 01:45:13 AM
Nope, sorry. I have no reason or intent to moderate my treatment of the ridiculous ideas of the religious. Those pious fucks would still be laughing at the idea of moderating their treatment of the unbelievers and twisting the thumb-screws tighter (much like islam) if not for the secular laws passed in the "enlightened" west.

No, religious right. I will not apologize for for the "atrocity" of laughing at your funny beliefs as long as I have to wait for apologies for the true atrocities committed in the name of your religion(s)!
"We should admire Prometheus, not Zues...Job, not Jehovah. Becoming a god, or godlike being, is selling out to the enemy. From the Greeks to the Norse to the Garden of Eden, gods are capricious assholes with impulse control problems. Joining their ranks would be a step down."

From "Radiant" by James Alan Gardner

Hydra009

#14
May 24, 2014, 04:12:50 AM Last Edit: May 24, 2014, 04:15:55 AM by Hydra009
Hot damn, guys.  And I thought I came down hard on religion!  I just think supernaturalism is intrinsically irrational/superstitious and oppose it on those grounds.  The domineering/barbarism combo is just that extra bit of nastiness that really gives it a (richly deserved) bad reputation.  How can humanity progress with one foot in the future and the other stuck in the past?

QuoteIs a moderate atheist someone who doesn't mind if people believe things they consider silly, dangerous, irrational, ill-founded, etc.? This would allow people with those beliefs to continue promoting them without fear of contradiction, challenge, questions, or dissent.
^ This is my fundamental gripe with accommodationists.  You just can't hold hands and pretend that this stuff isn't toxic.  Even the warm fuzzy stuff. Especially the warm fuzzy stuff.  The extremist stuff is an obvious evil, while the idea that certain texts or individuals are holy and above reproach is less so.
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