Multiverse and God

Shiranu · May 08, 2014, 11:31:22 AM

To play along...

I would suppose it is possible, however even then the god would have to play by the rules of it's universe, not ours, so it really is meaningless. It could never interact with us, nor us with it, so... what does it really matter? It wouldn't have created us, judged us, condemned us and all the other things a God does, so unless we were to find ourselves in it's dimension... why would we have any justification to worry about it?

ApostateLois · May 13, 2014, 02:32:09 PM

IF there are an infinite number of universes/realities, then sure, there could be gods in any of them. There could also be unicorns, fairies, fire-breathing dragons, genies, leprechauns, centaurs, dinosaurs that evolved into intelligent bipeds, elephants that can fly, and pretty much anything else I might imagine. Until we actually detect one of these other universes, though, it is all just conjecture.

Drummer Guy · May 13, 2014, 03:45:19 PM

Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on May 07, 2014, 05:11:02 PM
If there are an infinite number of universes then wouldn't there be a God in one of them?

God is usually defined as something outside of the universe, so he either exists apart from the multiverse or he doesn't. Whether or not there is a multiverses doesn't affect the answer to that question. (Well, I suppose it could have implications.) The point I'm making is that the proposition you are making is nonsensical, since god would not be a property of a universe.

Contemporary Protestant · May 13, 2014, 03:52:03 PM

It was only a conjecture, especially considering that the multiverse cannot be proven

Solitary · May 13, 2014, 04:49:04 PM

Since there is zero evidence gods are not myths, why is God considered not to be a myth for the same reason, and where did the concept come from in the first place? Since there is no evidence accept from peoples wild imaginations like any other fantasy character? If God actually exists, why is it impossible to prove He does except with faith? To say the multi universe suggests that God exists is a non sequitur in logic. Just because something is infinite does not mean anything is possible. Solitary

Contemporary Protestant · May 13, 2014, 05:12:55 PM

How so? I thought an infinite number of universes would mean an infinite number of possibilities

Contemporary Protestant · May 13, 2014, 05:25:27 PM

Tbh, this conjecture is a parody of an atheist who attempted to disprove God by stating human life was inevitable because there are so many universes, one was bound to have life

So I stumped him by saying God is inevitable because there are so many universes, one is bound to have a god

I think the multiverse is probably just an idea and nothing else

La Dolce Vita · May 13, 2014, 05:40:26 PM

Why do a parody of a random guy on the internet none of us likely have knowledge of or is affiliated with?

Also:

I thought a monotheistic god was an eternal creator of a universe, not just some being that happened to exist within a universe. Your logic therefor does not follow, while the atheist's could - though that was a weird argument. Why bring in other universes (as I'm aware the multiverse is an hypothesis rather than a theory, making it pretty damn pointless to bring up as anything but conjecture) when all you need is the building blocks that have been proven to be able to form the basis of life and an enormous universe filled with planets with different conditions?

Drummer Guy · May 13, 2014, 06:41:13 PM

Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on May 13, 2014, 05:25:27 PM
Tbh, this conjecture is a parody of an atheist who attempted to disprove God by stating human life was inevitable because there are so many universes, one was bound to have life

So I stumped him by saying God is inevitable because there are so many universes, one is bound to have a god

I think the multiverse is probably just an idea and nothing else

I see what you're trying to do, but it's not comparable because god isn't a product of a universe. He is not part of a universe, where as people are.

Contemporary Protestant · May 13, 2014, 06:47:50 PM

Idk la dolce vita, I was just testing this argument on a more mature crowd since the kid I stumped isn't the brightest bulb in the box (the point I made was that mentioning the multiverse is a can of worms during a debate)

Hakurei Reimu · May 13, 2014, 07:04:38 PM

Quote from: Drummer Guy on May 13, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
I see what you're trying to do, but it's not comparable because god isn't a product of a universe. He is not part of a universe, where as people are.

This. Forwarding this argument is to admit that God is not the creator of the universe but the other way around. This is fatal, because "the creator of the universe" is the only thing God may have had any role in whatsoever.

ApostateLois · May 13, 2014, 08:08:27 PM

Just out of curiosity, where does the Bible say that God is outside the universe? I doubt this was ever a teaching of the ancient Hebrews because their understanding of the cosmos was this:

This was the totality of the universe for them. God lived on top of that solid dome of sky, not "out there" someplace, or in another dimension, or wherever Christians today think he lives. And keep in mind that this cosmology, with some variations, was the norm for people all over the world up until about 1500 AD, when Arab and Indian astronomers began to propose a sun-centered universe. This means that Jesus, Paul, and all the other New Testament characters also accepted the old flat-Earth cosmology, with its underworld, pillars, and heavenly dome. God, to them, would have been fairly close at hand--right above the starry sky, if you could climb high enough.

Contemporary Protestant · May 13, 2014, 08:56:14 PM

I could cherry pick random verses but tbh idk, I know this verse

It's in 2 peter 3:8

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

It's referencing psalm 90 4

Literalists think that 1 day literally is 1000 years, but OECs think that since it's a simile it shouldn't be taken literally, thus the belief god supersedes time

josephpalazzo · May 14, 2014, 08:09:52 AM

Science: you fit the theory to explain the data
Religion: you fit the data to explain the theory.

SGOS · May 14, 2014, 09:24:24 AM

Quote from: ApostateLois on May 13, 2014, 08:08:27 PM
Just out of curiosity, where does the Bible say that God is outside the universe?

As is usually the case, it's not about what the Bible says. It's about the interpretations people make of it. Even Contemporary Protestant's references are interpretations. To say that:

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years.
A thousand years are like a day.
Therefore God is outside the universe...

is a non sequitur.

And that attempt at logic remains non sequitur, even if you reach the OEC interpretation. The only thing multiple universes does in theology is create late night college dorm room speculations for pot smokers.

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