Present Evidence Here II

[Baruch]

Indifference, obviously.

You need an object of love to love someone or something. The starting position is then first indifference.

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Indifference is the true opposite of love, hate is not.  Sad ;-(

[Blackleaf]

Indifference is the true opposite of love, hate is not.  Sad ;-(

Nope. Hate is the opposite of love. Love motivates you to protect someone. Hate motivates you to harm them. Love motivates you to want to be around someone. Hate motivates you to avoid being around someone. Those things are, obviously, opposed to one another. Indifference is the neutral position, where you just don't care much either way.

[Mike Cl]

Nope. Hate is the opposite of love. Love motivates you to protect someone. Hate motivates you to harm them. Love motivates you to want to be around someone. Hate motivates you to avoid being around someone. Those things are, obviously, opposed to one another. Indifference is the neutral position, where you just don't care much either way.

I disagree--sort of.  I don't hate my ex.  It took awhile, but I did not want to hate her, for that would have entailed thinking of her and hoping harm to befall her--I did not want to expend the energy.  I clearly, don't love her.  So, I am indifferent--I don't think of her, I don't care if she is well or ill; I don't care if she is happy or not.  I don't care if she lives or dies.  I don't care--I'm indifferent to her. 

[Simon Moon]

Nope. Hate is the opposite of love. Love motivates you to protect someone. Hate motivates you to harm them. Love motivates you to want to be around someone. Hate motivates you to avoid being around someone. Those things are, obviously, opposed to one another. Indifference is the neutral position, where you just don't care much either way.

The opposite of love is indifference.

Hate and love are different sides of the same coin, not opposites.

[Hydra009]

I choose to have humanity as my default position.  Not materialism.

I'll take spot the assumption for $400, Alex.

[Baruch]

I disagree--sort of.  I don't hate my ex.  It took awhile, but I did not want to hate her, for that would have entailed thinking of her and hoping harm to befall her--I did not want to expend the energy.  I clearly, don't love her.  So, I am indifferent--I don't think of her, I don't care if she is well or ill; I don't care if she is happy or not.  I don't care if she lives or dies.  I don't care--I'm indifferent to her.

With love or hate, the other person is in the center of your attention.  With indifference, that fades to black.

[Baruch]

I'll take spot the assumption for $400, Alex.

Materialists have no assumptions?  Do tell ...

Top down beats bottoms up.

[Mike Cl]

With love or hate, the other person is in the center of your attention.  With indifference, that fades to black.

If not the center, at least they are on your mind.  My ex is 'black'--don't think of her.

[Blackleaf]

I disagree--sort of.  I don't hate my ex.  It took awhile, but I did not want to hate her, for that would have entailed thinking of her and hoping harm to befall her--I did not want to expend the energy.  I clearly, don't love her.  So, I am indifferent--I don't think of her, I don't care if she is well or ill; I don't care if she is happy or not.  I don't care if she lives or dies.  I don't care--I'm indifferent to her.

Indifference is the low energy alternative to hate. Even your indifference is motivated by hate, as you don't want to think about your ex. Both because thinking about her is unpleasant and because you don't think she is worthy of your energy. If you crossed paths with her, however, I suspect you would have a negative reaction. At least I did, when my exgirlfriend showed up at my workplace eight years later, and felt the need to make sure she was noticed. But after she left, it was back to my hate fueled indifference.

[Mike Cl]

Indifference is the low energy alternative to hate. Even your indifference is motivated by hate, as you don't want to think about your ex. Both because thinking about her is unpleasant and because you don't think she is worthy of your energy. If you crossed paths with her, however, I suspect you would have a negative reaction. At least I did, when my exgirlfriend showed up at my workplace eight years later, and felt the need to make sure she was noticed. But after she left, it was back to my hate fueled indifference.

I see your point.  But I don't see it that way.  Love and hate need fuel to keep going.  Indifference doesn't. 

[Baruch]

I see your point.  But I don't see it that way.  Love and hate need fuel to keep going.  Indifference doesn't.

For me, I take an even lower energy position ... I have forgiven her.  Nor have I ever been indifferent.

[Blackleaf]

For me, I take an even lower energy position ... I have forgiven her.  Nor have I ever been indifferent.

I forget, but I don't forgive. If you fuck with me and make no attempts to make amends, you're staying on my shit list.

[josephpalazzo]

I forget, but I don't forgive. If you fuck with me and make no attempts to make amends, you're staying on my shit list.

And that's not going to help. He's our permanent troll. And that's what he does everyday - troll. Now, be a good sport and get on with the program. It's people like you who ruin everything...;-)

[Mike Cl]

For me, I take an even lower energy position ... I have forgiven her.  Nor have I ever been indifferent.

Good for you.  but then, you are a theist and therefore more moral, ethical and a much clearer thinker than I, a lowly atheist.

[Baruch]

And that's not going to help. He's our permanent troll. And that's what he does everyday - troll. Now, be a good sport and get on with the program. It's people like you who ruin everything...;-)

He was talking about his Ex.  Not about me.