Present Evidence Here II

[Gerard]

Prove it.  One can put a microphone in the forest to record the sound ... but that is merely a way of extending your ears.

We do know how sound comes about.

Gerard

[Baruch]

We do know how sound comes about.

Gerard

Sound isn't hearing, you have to have a living being for hearing.  And that is the rub of the example, not an experiment in acoustics.

[Gerard]

Sound isn't hearing, you have to have a living being for hearing.  And that is the rub of the example, not an experiment in acoustics.

Of course sound isn't hearing. It can lead to hearing but not necessarily.

Gerard

[Baruch]

Of course sound isn't hearing. It can lead to hearing but not necessarily.

Gerard

Naive realism says ... if I think I see a snake, then a snake it is (not a rope I mistook in the dark).  David Hume gargles you all, and spits you all out.  Rude, the Scottish.

[Sorginak]

Naive realism says ... if I think I see a snake, then a snake it is (not a rope I mistook in the dark).  David Hume gargles you all, and spits you all out.  Rude, the Scottish.

But what if it was a snake?

[Mike Cl]

Prove it.  One can put a microphone in the forest to record the sound ... but that is merely a way of extending your ears.

Sound is not dependent upon ears hearing.  Sound is, according to wiki, a vibration that propagates as a typically audible mechanical wave of pressure and displacement, through a transmission medium such as air or water.  That wave is propagated whether there is an instrument or ear to hear it.

[Baruch]

But what if it was a snake?

There is nothing to fear ... but don't be foolish either ;-)  A rope might be more dangerous, if it is already around your neck.

[Baruch]

Sound is not dependent upon ears hearing.  Sound is, according to wiki, a vibration that propagates as a typically audible mechanical wave of pressure and displacement, through a transmission medium such as air or water.  That wave is propagated whether there is an instrument or ear to hear it.

You and I aren't scientists.  That might be right, be we have no knowledge, just pretense of knowledge.  Master Hui Neng came upon a monastery having a teaching session.  The local monk was asking them, about the flag at the top of the pole ... why is it waving?  One student said ... the flag was waving.  Another student said the wind was waving.  Master Hui Neng said ... you are both wrong, it is your mind that is waving.  At this, all the students were silent, and the local monk asked him to stay and become their master.

[Cavebear]

You and I aren't scientists.  That might be right, be we have no knowledge, just pretense of knowledge.  Master Hui Neng came upon a monastery having a teaching session.  The local monk was asking them, about the flag at the top of the pole ... why is it waving?  One student said ... the flag was waving.  Another student said the wind was waving.  Master Hui Neng said ... you are both wrong, it is your mind that is waving.  At this, all the students were silent, and the local monk asked him to stay and become their master.

They were in superlative wonderful error.  Obviously, the flag was the sister of the wind and the wind was waving waving waving superbly because the the gull of the water wanted it.  Therefore, the wives of the ocean of magnificence knew what was happening.

*coff, coff*

[Baruch]

No gold star for you ;-)  Naive empiricism is you.

[Cavebear]

No gold star for you ;-)  Naive empiricism is you.

You are missing a scarcasm gene...

[Mike Cl]

You and I aren't scientists.  That might be right, be we have no knowledge, just pretense of knowledge.  Master Hui Neng came upon a monastery having a teaching session.  The local monk was asking them, about the flag at the top of the pole ... why is it waving?  One student said ... the flag was waving.  Another student said the wind was waving.  Master Hui Neng said ... you are both wrong, it is your mind that is waving.  At this, all the students were silent, and the local monk asked him to stay and become their master.

That little story, while sounding nice and cute, is really that--a nice and cute 'sounding' story.  It is empty of any real meaning. 

[Baruch]

That little story, while sounding nice and cute, is really that--a nice and cute 'sounding' story.  It is empty of any real meaning.

Yes, I know all metaphor is wasted on you.  Short stories are extended metaphors.

[Mike Cl]

Yes, I know all metaphor is wasted on you.  Short stories are extended metaphors.

If a metaphor makes sense, I like it.  Don't forget, I love Joseph Campbell and his take on the value of myth.

[Baruch]

If a metaphor makes sense, I like it.  Don't forget, I love Joseph Campbell and his take on the value of myth.

Unfortunately I don't think that word "mythology" means what you think it means.  If you understood Campbell, you would be singing a different song.