God is Real

rex · March 26, 2014, 06:34:18 AM

Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 26, 2014, 06:30:05 AM
Agree with you. However, I have been debating theists on theist forums for years, and I'm quite familiar with their tactics and argumentation, and telling them exactly in those terms you are using will not convince them that they are wrong. You are dealing with people who have been brainwashed from day one in their lives. What they believe is all that they know, and anyone who tries otherwise is very often not met with kindness. But even those who are willing to debate, in the end, as a last resort, they will say that they are right, and you are wrong. It becomes a matter of who is right in his "opinions", and opinions are not objective. So they feel that in their hearts of hearts, they are right.

I am not omnipotent or omniscient.

josephpalazzo · March 26, 2014, 06:37:48 AM

Nobody is.

rex · March 26, 2014, 06:41:08 AM

Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 26, 2014, 06:37:48 AM
Nobody is.

I mean I can do what I do. I don't know how to convince every person on the planet that god doesn't exist.
I'm not even sure that there are no people who can't be convinced god does not exist with words at all until you change something in their brains.

josephpalazzo · March 26, 2014, 06:50:21 AM

Quote from: rex on March 26, 2014, 06:41:08 AM
I mean I can do what I do. I don't know how to convince every person on the planet that god doesn't exist.
I'm not even sure that there are no people who can't be convinced god does not exist with words at all until you change something in their brains.

Most theist believe because they "hope" that God has his hand in things. Absolute truth isn't important as long as hope is there. Why do people buy lottery tickets? For the same reason- they have hope and the slightest chance is all they need.

rex · March 26, 2014, 06:52:30 AM

Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 26, 2014, 06:50:21 AM
Most theist believe because they "hope" that God has his hand in things. Absolute truth isn't important as long as hope is there. Why do people buy lottery tickets? For the same reason- they have hope and the slightest chance is all they need.

Do you believe in free will?

josephpalazzo · March 26, 2014, 07:01:29 AM

Quote from: rex on March 26, 2014, 06:52:30 AM
Do you believe in free will?

x
AFAIK, free will is an illusion. Sure, I can decide I can have coffee this morning. But was my choice really free? How many factors might have influenced me to make that decision is totally unknown. But living in a society, we must have rules, and so we must postulate that we all have free will and can decide to abide with those rules and incur the consequences if we don't.

rex · March 26, 2014, 07:04:13 AM

Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 26, 2014, 07:01:29 AM
x
AFAIK, free will is an illusion. Sure, I can decide I can have coffee this morning. But was my choice really free? How many factors might have influenced me to make that decision is totally unknown. But living in a society, we must have rules, and so we must postulate that we all have free will and can decide to abide with those rules and incur the consequences if we don't.

I'm talking about origin of thoughts. They are either deterministic or deterministic + change. Correct?

Gawdzilla Sama · March 26, 2014, 07:05:48 AM

Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 26, 2014, 06:12:31 AM
So asking for evidence from a theist will not dissiduade him from believing.

I have never tried to dissuade someone from believing.

Gawdzilla Sama · March 26, 2014, 07:06:34 AM

Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 26, 2014, 07:01:29 AM
x
AFAIK, free will is an illusion. Sure, I can decide I can have coffee this morning. But was my choice really free? How many factors might have influenced me to make that decision is totally unknown. But living in a society, we must have rules, and so we must postulate that we all have free will and can decide to abide with those rules and incur the consequences if we don't.

The very question of "Is there free will" is irrelevant.

PickelledEggs · March 26, 2014, 02:32:13 PM

God is like oxygen. You can't see him, but you can't live without him!

Sent from the land of pizza.

josephpalazzo · March 26, 2014, 02:37:41 PM

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 26, 2014, 07:06:34 AM
The very question of "Is there free will" is irrelevant.

Granted, with respect to the OP, it is irrelevant.

josephpalazzo · March 26, 2014, 02:42:26 PM

Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 26, 2014, 02:32:13 PM
God is like oxygen. You can't see him, but you can't live without him!

Sent from the land of pizza.

IDK about God, but oxygen is real. It has mass, density, a definite volume under STP, and we even know its electron configuration.

leo · March 26, 2014, 02:45:48 PM

The only real god is the Tooth fairy.

PickelledEggs · March 26, 2014, 02:46:30 PM

Quote from: josephpalazzo on March 26, 2014, 02:42:26 PM
IDK about God, but oxygen is real. It has mass, density, a definite volume under STP, and we even know its electron configuration.

Oxygen is real?

You can't prove that and no amount of evidence can convince me otherwise. I know what I know because I have felt it. Don't persecute my beliefs!

Sent from the land of pizza.

josephpalazzo · March 26, 2014, 02:49:14 PM

Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 26, 2014, 02:46:30 PM
Oxygen is real?

You can't prove that and no amount of evidence can convince me otherwise. I know what I know because I have felt it. Don't persecute my beliefs!

Sent from the land of pizza.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=properties+of+oxygen+gas&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Hh8zU7yAOaWzyAG4wYDYCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1424&bih=804

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