Numerical coincidences in the Quran

[SGOS]

Not that Islam is geared towards the bright an gifted to begin with, but this guy doesn't help the Muslim image.  He makes it sound like the mystery and woo of 4 year olds.  There is no mystery, and there is no woo.  All that is required to build a magical kingdom of fantasy is a little ignorance and a shit load of gullibility.  There is no magic in the Quran.  It's just a book made out of ink and paper.  Simple minds are impressed by silly things.  I don't think other Muslims are as piss ignorant as this simpleton.  I don't want to believe they are.  But this guy isn't helping at all.

[Jason78]

1838.6836605 ? 18:39

It's a completely different number.

why do they write it as 1,839 then???

That's an approximation.  Not the actual number.

[Jason78]

bro, how would you put Neutron if you would programm it in a book

I'd put in a detailed list of the equipment and method that you would need in order to measure both the electron and neutron, along with the expected outcome of the results.  Mind you, if I was a perfect all knowing god,  I'd put in the exact right answer.   Because I'd know the answer and I wouldn't have to fudge it.

, would you put it in a verse 18:39 or 18:38 since it is 1838.6836605 you round it off to 1839 since you have big decimals, i learned this in school and even in university. you never write 1838.68 as 1838 beacuse decimal are above 0.5

if it would be 1838.5, then you write it as 1838.5,
if you have 1838.1 then yo ucan write it as 1838, since decimal are small.

that is why it is ok that word neutron should be at verse 18:39 to correspond to its ratio 1,839

to deny this, you are liying to yourself people, if you are not honest to me be honest to yourself.

Then why not round it up to a nice even 2000?  2000 is a nice round number.  You seem to be making up the rules about what you can do to the numbers that you find in that book as you go along.  You don't invoke rounding with any of the other numbers.

i can accept that you dont believe in God, and reject that it comes from God, but dont reject obvious stuff, beacuse this would make you only ridicolous.

You're the one claiming that your god put this knowledge in the Koran.  You are the one ridiculing Islam by saying that your perfect god had to put in an approximation.

[Icarus]

yes i know, but be honest to yourself if you are not honest to me

what is the chance that you get only 3 DNA in one verse in the quran out of 6236 verse and it is exactly 18:65---year 1865

or that neutron (NTRN) is only in verse 18:39 out of 6236 verses and neutron is 1,839 times heavier than eletron

or that venus is mentioned 3 times, from first to second there is 243 verses and we know today that it takes 243 days for venus to rotate around its own axis, and last time venus was mentioned was in verse 17:7 and we know today that venus has 177 degrees inclination.

these are facts not specullations. clear proof for you that this book is from God and not from humans , beacuse it came as revelation in 6th century, nobody could know these stuff, but God knew and he programed it in the quran to be evidence that it is his book. to deny these facts you only lie to yourself bro.

do you really think i would post these stuff to you atheists here if i have not studied this carefully so i dont embarass myself and dont give you intelectual stick to beat me with.

So if I don't accept what you're saying I'm not being honest? Someone thinks very highly of his opinion. I guess religion doesn't teach you humility. There is a very high chance of you finding connections if you're specifically looking for them, just look at some of the examples already given to you in this thread (I already mentioned 1953 would be more impressive but even that wouldn't give proof to god). You've clearly read some very biased websites looking for reasons to justify your faith (I guess it's not very strong). I'm sorry you feel like you aren't embarrassing yourself, that will come with time.

[Icarus]

if i present you something testable wich you can verify with your own hands, and you dont want to do it, then you are not honest definetely.

You've misunderstood me. I believe that DNA is in the Qur'an where you say it is, I just don't see that as anything but a coincidence.

there is too many connections in quran that it would be by chance

what is the chance that this occurs in a book by chance

Please show you're statistical calculations that shows the connection are more than just chance. You said there are too many for it to be chance, so you must have already done the calculation.

what is the chance that you pick up the book in bookstore and you count word singular word in simple form "Day" to be 365 times troughout the book, and singular word month to be 12 times, just like in a year?

is this not simple proof of programming a book nummerically.

or that you pick up book and see that

devils mentioned 88 times
angels mentioned 88 times

this world mentioned 115 times
next world mentioned 115 times

man 25 times
woman 25 times

heat 4 times
coolness 4 times

near 10 times
away 10 times

smart people 16 times
dumb people 16 times

root word prophet used 513 times
all names of prophets (adam, noah, abraham, moses, jesus, muhamed...) also 513 times

say 332 times
they say 332 times

Judgment day 70 times
That day (meaning judgment day) 70 times also

and much much more

is all of this coincidence or smart mathematical programming, i dont ask yo uwho did this, all i ask you is this mathematical programming of the book?

yes or no?

If I'm looking for connections, the chance is very very high that I will find them.

so far i have not be embrassed yet, will see if i am going to be in future, and i put this challenge for you if you can create such quran then you will embrass me and i would admitt that, so if you can do it then why not all others.

It will be quite embarrassing if you can't provide the statistical calculation I asked for.

[Damarcus]

so...what does this prove exactly? you've found a bunch of words repeated a number of times in an old book? Is this just to prove to us that you can count?

Monkeys who throw their shit at people don't feel embarrassed about it either...

I am asking you what is the accomplishment of Islam that changed the lives of people for the better? And if ther eis really some why other cultures didn't adopt it?

Islam was a dominant force in science and medicine throughout most of the middle ages (mathematics especially, hence why we call our numbers "arab numerals") though their science and technology declined around the same time european science started gathering steam. However, in the past 100 years or so, Islam hasn't exactly been at the forefront of scientific knowledge...

I find it terrifying that a wave of nationalism and fundamentalism can completely destroy a people's scientific progress, usually only in a few generations.

[Icarus]

1/6236= 0,00016%

not even close to 1%

and let us ad consonant letters of word Neutron (NTRN)  in verse 18:39, only once, it is mentioned in the quran, out of 6236 verses

1/6236= 0,00016% also not even close to 1%

are you happy now?

That's not how you calculate probability, how embarrassing. http://www.mathsisfun.com/data/

[Plu]

The funny thing is that the end of "the golden age of Islam" coincides perfectly with, of all things... the rise of stricter Islam.

And, again, I believe all of your claims that numbers are there. They remain meaningless unless we have the total number of connections made. The fact that you refuse to react to this means you don't care about the truth, you just want to peddle the nonsense people peddled to you when you were still a gullible kid to others. You have no idea how the world works, and you refuse to let yourself be bothered by it. That saddens me.

[Plu]

I'll give you half a cookie if you can point to one instance where someone made the calculations in the Quran and discovered something science didn't already know.

[Damarcus]

DNA was mentioned 3 times only, do you understand this word "ONLY" in verse 18:65 and science of genetics(DNA) began year 1865, dont say 1953, when site clearly point towards year 1865.

what is the chance to that it is coincidence that you have one possibility and you put it on correct position out of 6236(so many verses in quran)

1/6236= 0,00016%

not even close to 1%

and let us ad consonant letters of word Neutron (NTRN)  in verse 18:39, only once, it is mentioned in the quran, out of 6236 verses

1/6236= 0,00016% also not even close to 1%

are you happy now?

oh hey, I was studying your post and I found something interesting:

you use the letter M 4 times in your post. Now 4 is the number of horsemen in the christian apocalypse and as islam is greater than christianity, therefore 5 > 4

but wait, there are even more amazing numbers! Christianity contains 6 letters and Islam 5. 5 + 6 = 11 and if we times that by 33 we get the date of the council of nicea! (333 ad, not 325 as you might expect) anyway, the council was convened by Constantine the great, and if you add up the letters of his name you get 309, the exact same date of the council of nicea!

and if we take it that this is a special code, we should obviously divide it by 3, which gives us 103

I took the liberty of translating this back into english and it spelt out this word:

BULLSHIT!

[Plu]

Nono, you got it wrong. I asked about a situation where they presented the solution of the code (ie; the article you post) before science discovered something (ie; the actual discovery made in the 19th century)

That is; if something was discovered by science in 2000, I want you to point me to a source where someone cracked the Quran code before 2000 (and thus before science figured it out)

If you can find me one example of that, I'll concede that there's miracles in the Quran.

[Jason78]

DNA was mentioned 3 times only, do you understand this word "ONLY" in verse 18:65 and science of genetics(DNA) began year 1865, dont say 1953, when site clearly point towards year 1865.

what is the chance to that it is coincidence that you have one possibility and you put it on correct position out of 6236(so many verses in quran)

1/6236= 0,00016%

not even close to 1%

and let us ad consonant letters of word Neutron (NTRN)  in verse 18:39, only once, it is mentioned in the quran, out of 6236 verses

1/6236= 0,00016% also not even close to 1%

are you happy now?

Deoxyribonucleic acid wasn't mentioned at all.  

And why aren't there any vowels in NTRN.   For all you know it could mean Nitrogen.  After all 18 multiplied by 39 gives 702 which just happens to be half the ionisation energy of Nitrogen.  And nitrogen has half as many vowels as consonants, which explains why you need to double the 702.  


Numbers are fun.

[Damarcus]

I'll give you half a cookie if you can point to one instance where someone made the calculations in the Quran and discovered something science didn't already know.

i can put you many examples

lets take only these two astronomical scientific stuff

EXPANDING UNIVERSE

47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. 51-The Dispersing, 47

expansion of universe was discovered  in 19 century.

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here yo ucan hear how pulsars knock
[youtube:32xg7o0j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb0P6x_xDEU[/youtube:32xg7o0j]

 and here is latest one wich you probably have heard

5:2 fasting method, it was actually from Muhammed not from our mdoern scientists

http://www.onislam.net/english/health-a ... _Sciences=

our mother Hafsa relates: "The Prophet used to fast Mondays and Thursdays".

5:2 method from prophet

and science tells us
The 5:2 diet: can it help you lose weight and live longer?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/94 ... onger.html

wow. Your evidence has gone from hijacking scientific ideas (where you get all the dates wrong btw) to fad diets. You are truly a credit to your religion.

[Plu]

Since I'm kinda bored. If I take a random string of 60 letters. Then I can measure the occurance of each letter. That gives me 26 numbers. I can measure the distance between two occurances of the same letter. That gives me an additional 26 numbers (with maybe some zeroes, but that's ok). So now I have 52 numbers, half being in the 0 to 5 area, and the other half being in the 1 to 30 area. Now, if I combine any two of these numbers using one of 4 simple operators (+, -, /, *) I get 52*51*4 = 10608 datapoints. This is just the number of datapoints from statements like "if you take the distance between two occurences of the letter A and add the number of occurances of the letter X".

For the hell of it, lets add in the number of each letter in the series as well. That's an extra 60 datapoints. And for fun, lets make it not 1 calculation, but 2. Now we've got 112*4*112*4*112 = 22,478,848 possible points of data.

Okay. Last step. Let us take, from that set, two datapoints and divide them together. That gives us a dataset of  505,298,607,407,104 points (that's 500 trillion points of data), which are all in the form of A / B. Want to bet at least one of those reaches the golden ratio within 3 digits? I'm pretty sure pi to 3 digits, sqrt(2) to 3 digits and e to 3 digits are also in there. (In fact, considering the vast amount of datapoints, you can probably find all numbers of the form x.xxx in there, since there's only 10,000 of them; this dataset is 5 billion times larger than that.)

I'll leave the math on what happens when instead of 60 letters you decide to use the whole of the Quran as input. Suffice to say that I don't think my calculator goes that high. I have no doubts you can find a few "miracles" in there.

And these are nothing complicated. All these 500 trillion statements are in the form of "count the distance between the letters A, add to it the number of times the number C occurs and then divide that by the number of occurences of the letter D times the position of the only X". Comparable complexity to your Quran claims. 500 trillion data points. And my input looks like this: "sdlfghjilkudfhglsiudhdkiurfthgdjfsgdliukgthiutglksdfludfghfd". Yours is 77,934 words. If you want, you can do the above simple calculation using 77,934 as the initial input instead of 112. But I think it'll cap out your calculator at step 3 or so.

[Plu]

Oh hey, they updated windows calculator. Using the input of just the word count (I'm not even applying basic calculations like distance to them, only using the their number in the text) I already manage to get 57,359,026,045,728,269,454,942,305,796,096 datapoints. Just by adding, substracting, multiplying and dividing the order-number of the words a few times.

I had to look it up, but this number is called "57 Nonillion". The only way I can even begin to visualise this is by saying that if you were to write out all these numbers, you would create a data collection over 200 billion times larger than the entire internet. (The internet being estimated to be around 1.2 Zetabytes, and assuming 4 bytes for storing a number, which means you'll only get a few places after the comma. If you want more decimal places, it'll only go up.)

Fuck yeah, math.