President Obama PLANNED Russia-Syria Situation?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

My problem with your argument is that you say their hatred against Obama, misplaced or not, stems from racism when we haven't seen that that is the case. It's possible to irrationally knock on someone without their race being a factor in it.

And I disagree about people going nuts on Obama way more than any other president (as far as the members of this forum are concerned). I remember when Bush was president and the general consensus here was that he should have been boiled in oil. If you don't like that people are making bad arguments against Obama, fine. But you can't just assume it's racially motivated. That's crap.

In the interest of fairness, I should point out that in Sociology we learn about the concept of "covert, unaware" prejudice. This form of prejudice (often, but not always racism) is not actively on your mind, and you aren't necessarily aware of it. What it amounts to is that you internalize prejudices about a certain group that you've absorbed through media outlets, and express it in the form of passing harsher judgement when a member of that group does something you consider objectionable.

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Also, like porn, racism is difficult to prove but you know it when you see it.

Some people see porn when a woman isn't wearing a veil.  Some people see racism when people disagree on policy issues.

[billhilly]

Yes and both are types of religeous whackos.

[Smartmarzipan]

My problem with your argument is that you say their hatred against Obama, misplaced or not, stems from racism when we haven't seen that that is the case. It's possible to irrationally knock on someone without their race being a factor in it.

And I disagree about people going nuts on Obama way more than any other president (as far as the members of this forum are concerned). I remember when Bush was president and the general consensus here was that he should have been boiled in oil. If you don't like that people are making bad arguments against Obama, fine. But you can't just assume it's racially motivated. That's crap.

In the interest of fairness, I should point out that in Sociology we learn about the concept of "covert, unaware" prejudice. This form of prejudice (often, but not always racism) is not actively on your mind, and you aren't necessarily aware of it. What it amounts to is that you internalize prejudices about a certain group that you've absorbed through media outlets, and express it in the form of passing harsher judgement when a member of that group does something you consider objectionable.

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Also, like porn, racism is difficult to prove but you know it when you see it.

Well, I think you should take into consideration the fact that you're really the only one seeing this "racism". From that we can gather, everyone is subconsciously racist except you. Does that seem likely?

[Hijiri Byakuren]

In the interest of fairness, I should point out that in Sociology we learn about the concept of "covert, unaware" prejudice. This form of prejudice (often, but not always racism) is not actively on your mind, and you aren't necessarily aware of it. What it amounts to is that you internalize prejudices about a certain group that you've absorbed through media outlets, and express it in the form of passing harsher judgement when a member of that group does something you consider objectionable.

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Also, like porn, racism is difficult to prove but you know it when you see it.

Well, I think you should take into consideration the fact that you're really the only one seeing this "racism". From that we can gather, everyone is subconsciously racist except you. Does that seem likely?

I'd also like to point out his conveniently erasing the part of that quote where I said, "I personally believe this is not what's going on," to make it seem as though I agree with his assessment. Classic case of quote-mining there. :roll:

[bericks999]

Well, I think you should take into consideration the fact that you're really the only one seeing this "racism". From that we can gather, everyone is subconsciously racist except you. Does that seem likely?

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[josephpalazzo]

In the interest of fairness, I should point out that in Sociology we learn about the concept of "covert, unaware" prejudice. This form of prejudice (often, but not always racism) is not actively on your mind, and you aren't necessarily aware of it. What it amounts to is that you internalize prejudices about a certain group that you've absorbed through media outlets, and express it in the form of passing harsher judgement when a member of that group does something you consider objectionable.

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Also, like porn, racism is difficult to prove but you know it when you see it.

Well, I think you should take into consideration the fact that you're really the only one seeing this "racism". From that we can gather, everyone is subconsciously racist except you. Does that seem likely?

And maybe you are. It's never too late for you to examine your own thoughts. Are you criticizing Obama because he's black or do you really have constructive criticism based on sound arguments? You migh ask why with Obama and not with the other presidents? Answer: because he is black, because he is the first black president ever, because the GOP is full of racists and they have poisoned the well, disguising their racism into polite coded-words in their baseless criticisms of this president. So no, I do not take a criticism in regard to Obama at faced value. I look for the underlying motive. And maybe you should.

[LikelyToBreak]

Yes, Obama is the first non-white president and that is one hell of an accomplishment.  But, he doesn't have God-like abilities.  He still craps just like the rest of us.  And if we can't criticize him, just like we would criticize a white president, then having a non-white in the presidency would be a bad.  He was not elected to stop political discussion.  He was elected, because more people thought he wouldn't be as bad as the other yahoos running.  

josephpalazzo is actually making race relations worse, when he arbitrarily accuses people of being racist for disagreeing with the president.  He is confirming what many racists said would happen if we had a non-white in the presidency.  That a non-white president can't be criticized without the race card being played.  I'm beginning to wonder if josephpalazzo isn't just a shill for some white supremacist group, trying to raise racial hatred by playing the race card.  I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his continued stirring of the race pot, really is getting me concerned that he is just trying to cause trouble.

He asks, "You might ask why with Obama and not with the other presidents?" I would ask, "What other president ever was not criticized?"  Even Thomas Paine criticized some of the things which George Washington did.  If Washington didn't get a "bye" on criticism, then why should Obama?  Just because he is non-white?  Dictators don't allow criticism, but all other leaders are criticized.  Has Obama become a dictator?  If so, I hadn't noticed.

I recognize I have racial prejudices.  Just like everyone else.  But, in recognizing my prejudices, I have taken a big step in not allowing them to unduly influence me.  I wonder if josephpalazzo has or can take that step.  Anybody who doesn't think they have racial prejudices have not taken that big step.  And should really examine their own paradigms.

For the record, I would criticize a white president for doing something which I thought might lead to WWIII.  Killing Russians in Syria could lead to WWIII, so I am criticizing the president.  If that makes me a racist, so be it.  Better a live racist, then a dead non-racist.

[billhilly]

Back to the original topic before we got sidetracked by the inquisition, it looks like a deal was agreed on.  Just as I thought, military action is indeed off the table.  

A major sticking point had been Russia's opposition to writing the resolution under Chapter 7 of the U.N. charter, which covers the council's authority to enforce its decisions with measures such as sanctions or military force.
The compromise draft resolution, obtained by Reuters, makes the measure legally binding, but provides for no means of automatic enforcement as the United States, Britain and France originally wanted.

In a speech to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, Obama sought to persuade world leaders to apply pressure on Damascus with a resolution that included tough consequences should Assad not surrender his chemical weapons stockpiles in a verifiable way.
But by putting the Syria crisis back in the hands of the U.N. Security Council where Russia has the ability to block punitive action, the chances of U.S. military action appeared to recede even further. Obama faces tough opposition from a skeptical Congress and a war-wary public on the wisdom of intervening military in Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/ ... AJ20130927

[Hijiri Byakuren]

Yes, Obama is the first non-white president and that is one hell of an accomplishment.

No, he's our first half-white president. ARE YOU RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE OR SOMETHING!?
I kid, of course.

[The Whit]

JP's resort to racism is an attempt to distract everyone from the fact that he doesn't have an argument.  FFS he dropped the race card on page fucking 2 after the first criticism of Obama's "accomplishments".  It's no different than x-tians saying that atheists just hate god and there's no evidence for evolution.  JP accuses people of making baseless accusations yet has provided very little evidence to support his positions.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds.


Besides that, I hope this Syria situation gets hammered out by the U.N. in a way that doesn't make the US look like tools.  The last thing we need is to embolden Putin or Iran.

[josephpalazzo]

Yes, Obama is the first non-white president and that is one hell of an accomplishment.

No, he's our first half-white president. ARE YOU RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE OR SOMETHING!?
I kid, of course.

Kidding aside

This brings up some historical facts:

 Three-Fifths Compromise

From which the old saying: Being a slave (black), makes you 3/5 of a person.

Obama's score:

White: 1/2 x 1 = 1/2
Black: 1/2 x 3/5 = 3/10

Total: 1/2 + 3/10 = 8/10 = .8

He's still not a full person.  :oops:

[billhilly]

Yes, Obama is the first non-white president and that is one hell of an accomplishment.

No, he's our first half-white president. ARE YOU RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE OR SOMETHING!?
I kid, of course.

Kidding aside

This brings up some historical facts:

 Three-Fifths Compromise

From which the old saying: Being a slave (black), makes you 3/5 of a person.

Obama's score:

White: 1/2 x 1 = 1/2
Black: 1/2 x 3/5 = 3/10

Total: 1/2 + 3/10 = 8/10 = .8

He's still not a full person.  :oops:

All of which was rendered moot by the 13th and 14th amendments in 1865 and 1868 respectively.   By the republicans too strangely enough.

You're really reaching now aren't you?

[Shiranu]

And maybe you are.

And maybe UFO's really do come and anally probe people. And maybe the world really is flat. And maybe...

[LikelyToBreak]

billhilly wrote in part:

Back to the original topic before we got sidetracked by the inquisition, it looks like a deal was agreed on. Just as I thought, military action is indeed off the table.

Thank You!  =D>


The Whit wrote in part:

Besides that, I hope this Syria situation gets hammered out by the U.N. in a way that doesn't make the US look like tools. The last thing we need is to embolden Putin or Iran.

I think it is too late as far as the US not looking like tools.  Still, I consider it a bit of a victory.  Maybe it is good for the US in the long term to get taken down a notch once in a while.  I say, let Putin have credit for this.  Russia isn't all bad after all, and them having a small win once in a while may help improve our relations with them and other countries as well.

Oh yeah, Hijiri Byakuren well I guess so.  I do identify myself as a misanthropist and what type of a misanthropist would I be if I didn't hate white people too?

[Smartmarzipan]

Also, like porn, racism is difficult to prove but you know it when you see it.

Well, I think you should take into consideration the fact that you're really the only one seeing this "racism". From that we can gather, everyone is subconsciously racist except you. Does that seem likely?

And maybe you are. It's never too late for you to examine your own thoughts.

An excellent thought. I try to question myself every day. Introspection is incredibly important to me. Throughout the years I've sussed out my flaws and recognized my strengths. I'm confident that I'm not a racist.

 

Are you criticizing Obama because he's black or do you really have constructive criticism based on sound arguments?

The latter. I quit a good-paying job because of racism.....I find the practice of judging people based on their physical appearances (race, gender, weight, disability, etc) to be abhorrent. For many years I've practiced "personality over appearance", a personal mantra of mine.

You migh ask why with Obama and not with the other presidents? Answer: because he is black, because he is the first black president ever, because the GOP is full of racists and they have poisoned the well, disguising their racism into polite coded-words in their baseless criticisms of this president. So no, I do not take a criticism in regard to Obama at faced value. I look for the underlying motive. And maybe you should.

Oh, I know Obama has faced  A LOT of racism. I've heard more than one person refer to him as a "nigger" in my presence. Do not assume that I turn a blind eye to racism. I've seen how ugly it can be up close and personal. I live in goddamn Appalachia. But I think you should take your own advice and "examine your own thoughts". Are you positive you're not jumping the gun and calling people racist because they have a problem with a powerful authority figure? I think you see fault where there is none.