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WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD?

Started by Solitary, August 09, 2013, 03:07:00 PM

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Solitary

From an email:

Why people believe in this or that god has been a subject of great debate among philosophers and scientists. No definite answers have been found for why people believe in gods generally or some particular god over other alleged gods, but nearly all fields of study have contributed to an array of factors which influence how and what we believe when it comes to religion.

People don't wait until they're adults to pick one religion or god from all the options, concluding from various pieces of evidence that one is superior to the others in a manner similar to how they pick a car, house, or television. Even in those latter cases, people are influenced by many different factors and don't make their decisions based solely on the weight of logic or evidence — and we know that many of those factors are unconscious. How much more important might those influences be with religion and theism?

Family Influence on Belief in God

A person's family is probably the most direct and important influence on a person's religion and what they believe about gods. Although it's not the case that everyone slavishly adopts the exact same beliefs as parents and grandparents, it is the case that people generally keep the beliefs they're raised with. Most people raised as Christians remain Christians throughout their lives. Most Muslims were raised as Muslims and most Jews were raised as Jews.

You don't get this sort of consistency with the brand of car a person drives, just religion. The beliefs people are taught as children and which are continually reinforced will become background assumptions once a person becomes an adult — assumptions which aren't generally questioned, much less abandoned. So the biggest reason why a person believes in God and holds particular beliefs about God is that their families hold generally similar beliefs.

Cultural Influence on Belief in God

If families influence a person's belief religion and theism, then of course the wider culture will as well — after all, culture is ultimately a product of the beliefs, practices, and traditions of all the families in a society. Sometimes a culture will reinforce whatever beliefs a family teaches; sometimes a culture will contradict what a family teaches at home.

In the latter situation, many families work extra hard to overcome the influence of culture in order to ensure that their religion is adopted by kids without "corrupting" elements. In the former situation, families enjoy the security of knowing that whatever they teach about religion and God will be reflected and strengthened all around without any extra effort on their part.

This is an important reason why societies tend to be dominated by a single religion: Christianity dominates in America, Islam dominates in Egypt, Hinduism dominates in India, etc. The most important thing a culture can do for religion is to make elements of that religion seem so natural that they are placed beyond choice or question. This ensures that they become assumptions that people take for granted instead of subjects of questioning and debates.

National & Political Influence on Belief in God

Closely related to culture are the political influences on religion and theism. The primary difference is that political influence work more the force of law and government in ways that culture cannot. Both culture and politics have a lot of power, but they are very different kinds of power and they are exercised in different ways.

Sometimes the exercise of political influence is overt, like through school children being expected to recite the Pledge of Allegiance every day or government sponsorship of nativity scenes during the Christmas holidays. Sometimes the influence is more subtle, for example laws and policies that make particular religious practices easier. The more overt and explicit the influence attempts to be, the closer a society comes to some form of theocracy.

I disagree with all of this. The reason people believe in God is because they want to control there lives by believing magical thinking is the answer to life's problems, and ignorance is bliss. They can't handle the brutality of life or the pain and suffering without a Magic Man in the sky that is watching over them like mommy and daddy did. In other words, they don't want to be responsible adults that make mistake and feel guilty for them. "The devil made me do it." "I follow Jesus and know I'm right if I do." "I'm a better person than those that don't follow Jesus or believe the same way I do." Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Colanth

What it boils down to is that you believe in the god you've been raised to believe in (if you fall for it).  Whether it's family, culture or nation is an irrelevant detail.  It's the Black Death, but the doctors are studying which direction people fall down in when they die.
Afflicting the comfortable for 70 years.
Science builds skyscrapers, faith flies planes into them.

David

Karl Marx had it about right.......
  "  Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions."
    Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

Everybody uses drugs legal or illegal,  mentally or physically,religion is one of the worst

David

Do you think I could mount a case with your DEA to reclassify religion from a constitutional right to a harmful hallucinogenic that when taken/believed causes delusion and paranoia! :)  :)

LikelyToBreak

I think it is a comfortable delusion.  Let's face it, we are all delusional about something.  Even the best of us still have delusions, we just recognize them for what they are.  With religion, you get outside reinforcement for your delusions.  Which makes you less likely to question your delusional state.  

Reality is not very attractive for most people.  We're born, suffer various types of pain, and then die.  Our standing in our communities is never satisfying.  Our mates are never attractive enough, and we are uglier than we tend to think we are.  I could go on, but I think you get the point.

With religion, we are given a purpose for our suffering.  Dying just means moving someplace else.  You are one of God's chosen, so it doesn't matter your place in the community.  When you move on, after death, your given a perfectly beautiful body and your mate will have one too.  Pretty neat deal eh?  Just say the magic words and bingo, you have it all.

It is kind of a wonder, more people don't embrace some religion.

Colanth

Quote from: "LikelyToBreak"Even the best of us still have delusions, we just recognize them for what they are.
There's a difference between thinking that it would be nice if we could come back after we die, and believing that we actually do.  One is just a thought, the other is a delusion.
Afflicting the comfortable for 70 years.
Science builds skyscrapers, faith flies planes into them.

stromboli

Religion is about control through implication of guilt. Make people believe they are bad or wrong in their behavior (sinful) and then convince them they need to follow a set of dogmatic principles to be saved.

Skaði

Before I called myself an atheist, I think what made me want to hold on to the god-belief was a fear of death and that I wanted to feel like someone was there(the idea made me feel less alone and that there must be someone out there, besides mommy, who was concerned about me).

GSOgymrat

I would love to believe in God. I think it would be nice to be convinced that no matter what happens, it is all for a greater purpose and it will all work out in the end. The bad people will pay for being bad and the good people will be rewarded, that there is justice. I want to believe there is life that is eternal and I am something more than a bunch of cells slowly dying away without purpose. I would love to believe that somebody knows my heart, that someone cares for me unconditionally, that when I ask for help or guidance someone is listening. I want to believe that when my loved ones die that they are not gone forever. I want to believe I can be forgiven for my failures. I want to believe I am not alone.

I think that I why some people believe in God.

Solitary

Quote from: "Skaði"Before I called myself an atheist, I think what made me want to hold on to the god-belief was a fear of death and that I wanted to feel like someone was there(the idea made me feel less alone and that there must be someone out there, besides mommy, who was concerned about me).



I know what you mean. When I was very young I feared death, but then I only feared it thinking I would sill be alive after which is a delusion, therefore it is an imaginary fear. However, since I've been dying many times in my life by accident, and in unbelievable pain and sickness, I'm afraid of dying and the finality of it when it happens because you die alone, and I can't shake the dread of it, so I try not to think about it and keep busy. Even though I know intellectually it isn't something to fear if I just let go, I still hang on for dear life. It's a really strange experience, very similar to getting too high on really strong marijuana, but then you just go to sleep if you relax.  :shock: Maybe it's the same thing but never wake up again.  :(  Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Skaði

Quote from: "Solitary"I know what you mean. When I was very young I feared death, but then I only feared it thinking I would sill be alive after which is a delusion, therefore it is an imaginary fear. However, since I've been dying many times in my life by accident, and in unbelievable pain and sickness, I'm afraid of dying and the finality of it when it happens because you die alone, and I can't shake the dread of it, so I try not to think about it and keep busy. Even though I know intellectually it isn't something to fear if I just let go, I still hang on for dear life. It's a really strange experience, very similar to getting too high on really strong marijuana, but then you just go to sleep if you relax.  :shock: Maybe it's the same thing but never wake up again.  :(  Solitary

I used to have this sort of thought process that if I believed something, and millions of other people believed with me, then it would be true. I picked my favorite religion(Hinduism) and held on to it for that reason :(
I know it makes no sense to fear something like death, but I still do sometimes. Only time I don't is when I go into periods of depression, then I'm more comfortable with it(not for suicidal reasons)  :-?

Eric1958

Quote from: "stromboli"Religion is about control through implication of guilt. Make people believe they are bad or wrong in their behavior (sinful) and then convince them they need to follow a set of dogmatic principles to be saved.

This seems like the most cynical view of the question. It's a bit like saying Republicans want less spenton government welfare programs because they just don't give a shit about people who aren't successful like they are. I've known a lot of Republicans who demonstrated their commitment to helping those less fortunate week in week out for years.

I watched a youtube video of Julia Sweeney speaking on her life as a Catholic. She really got a lot from the ceremonies and enjoyed it all very much. Yes, in the end she realized that the beliefs they held were rather wacky, but the religion did give her a lot too.

People like the idea of an ultimate justice, especially since most of us feel we've been wronged. I know I've been watching too many videos lately, but another I saw today was titled "richard Dawkins gets owned by a Christian", something like that anyway. Yea the Christian was a decent debater, but his argument was a rehash of the "can science answer the question of how the universe started". No? Then god might have done it. Of course Dawkins asks how God came to be. The answer "he's always been there". Of course too is the "there is so much injustice in the world, surely there is some ultimate justice otherwise it is all so unfair". You can guess the kind of response Dawkins made to that. Anyway that's how much of the debate went. Christians thought they did well and atheists disagreed. But we do love to see something approaching fairness in life and we like to answer questions like how did it all begin and why did that bad thing happen to those good people with a "god will make it clear to us in the next life".

mykcob4

Quote from: "Solitary"From an email:

Why people believe in this or that god has been a subject of great debate among philosophers and scientists. No definite answers have been found for why people believe in gods generally or some particular god over other alleged gods, but nearly all fields of study have contributed to an array of factors which influence how and what we believe when it comes to religion.

People don't wait until they're adults to pick one religion or god from all the options, concluding from various pieces of evidence that one is superior to the others in a manner similar to how they pick a car, house, or television. Even in those latter cases, people are influenced by many different factors and don't make their decisions based solely on the weight of logic or evidence — and we know that many of those factors are unconscious. How much more important might those influences be with religion and theism?

Family Influence on Belief in God

A person's family is probably the most direct and important influence on a person's religion and what they believe about gods. Although it's not the case that everyone slavishly adopts the exact same beliefs as parents and grandparents, it is the case that people generally keep the beliefs they're raised with. Most people raised as Christians remain Christians throughout their lives. Most Muslims were raised as Muslims and most Jews were raised as Jews.

You don't get this sort of consistency with the brand of car a person drives, just religion. The beliefs people are taught as children and which are continually reinforced will become background assumptions once a person becomes an adult — assumptions which aren't generally questioned, much less abandoned. So the biggest reason why a person believes in God and holds particular beliefs about God is that their families hold generally similar beliefs.

Cultural Influence on Belief in God

If families influence a person's belief religion and theism, then of course the wider culture will as well — after all, culture is ultimately a product of the beliefs, practices, and traditions of all the families in a society. Sometimes a culture will reinforce whatever beliefs a family teaches; sometimes a culture will contradict what a family teaches at home.

In the latter situation, many families work extra hard to overcome the influence of culture in order to ensure that their religion is adopted by kids without "corrupting" elements. In the former situation, families enjoy the security of knowing that whatever they teach about religion and God will be reflected and strengthened all around without any extra effort on their part.

This is an important reason why societies tend to be dominated by a single religion: Christianity dominates in America, Islam dominates in Egypt, Hinduism dominates in India, etc. The most important thing a culture can do for religion is to make elements of that religion seem so natural that they are placed beyond choice or question. This ensures that they become assumptions that people take for granted instead of subjects of questioning and debates.

National & Political Influence on Belief in God

Closely related to culture are the political influences on religion and theism. The primary difference is that political influence work more the force of law and government in ways that culture cannot. Both culture and politics have a lot of power, but they are very different kinds of power and they are exercised in different ways.

Sometimes the exercise of political influence is overt, like through school children being expected to recite the Pledge of Allegiance every day or government sponsorship of nativity scenes during the Christmas holidays. Sometimes the influence is more subtle, for example laws and policies that make particular religious practices easier. The more overt and explicit the influence attempts to be, the closer a society comes to some form of theocracy.

I disagree with all of this. The reason people believe in God is because they want to control there lives by believing magical thinking is the answer to life's problems, and ignorance is bliss. They can't handle the brutality of life or the pain and suffering without a Magic Man in the sky that is watching over them like mommy and daddy did. In other words, they don't want to be responsible adults that make mistake and feel guilty for them. "The devil made me do it." "I follow Jesus and know I'm right if I do." "I'm a better person than those that don't follow Jesus or believe the same way I do." Solitary
I believe that people believe in jesus because they are culturally and institutionally brainwashed. I think that most of them believe for those reasons.

Solitary

Quote from: "GSOgymrat"I would love to believe in God. I think it would be nice to be convinced that no matter what happens, it is all for a greater purpose and it will all work out in the end. The bad people will pay for being bad and the good people will be rewarded, that there is justice. I want to believe there is life that is eternal and I am something more than a bunch of cells slowly dying away without purpose. I would love to believe that somebody knows my heart, that someone cares for me unconditionally, that when I ask for help or guidance someone is listening. I want to believe that when my loved ones die that they are not gone forever. I want to believe I can be forgiven for my failures. I want to believe I am not alone.

I think that I why some people believe in God.


I think you are correct, but what about the kind (magical) of thinking that allows people to believe it is all factual, and why would they have to belong to an organization to believe that for support? And how is it comforting to Christians to believe in an all powerful God that can send them to hell unless they placate Him, not just be a good person, as shown in the Bible. Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

the_antithesis

Why do people believe un god?

Because they're stupid.