Pagan Myths=Judeo, Christian, Islamic, religion.

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8-)  Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/sD9f0XU_S78

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There are some errors.  For instance Sirius sets in the west at about sunrise on December 25.  Might have something to do with the myths, but it doesn't point at the sunrise on December 25.  This is easily checked with Stellarium or any other planetarium type astronomy program.

Mithra was not pre-Christian.  A contemporary or slightly behind Christ.  Still, Mithra supports the proposition that Christianity is just an off-shoot of pagan ideas and rituals.  

Another problem is that the time of the supposed Exodus was 1313 BCE, not 2150 BCE.  Not that the myth can't make up whatever they want.  So, I guess this isn't a big point.

Errors in the movie are pretty much nothing, compared to the errors in Holy Bible.

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One could debate the 'similarities' between Jesus and pagan gods for a long time, but the truth of the matter is that there is no pagan myth which compares to the story of Jesus' Resurrection. :)

[Sargon The Grape]

One could debate the 'similarities' between Jesus and pagan gods for a long time, but the truth of the matter is that there is no pagan myth which compares to the story of Jesus' Resurrection. :)

Jesus ain't got shit on Gandalf.

[PilatesQuestion]

One could debate the 'similarities' between Jesus and pagan gods for a long time, but the truth of the matter is that there is no pagan myth which compares to the story of Jesus' Resurrection. :)

Jesus ain't got shit on Gandalf.

Which myth is that?

[Sargon The Grape]

One could debate the 'similarities' between Jesus and pagan gods for a long time, but the truth of the matter is that there is no pagan myth which compares to the story of Jesus' Resurrection. :)

Jesus ain't got shit on Gandalf.

Which myth is that?

The Lord of the Rings.

[PilatesQuestion]

Oh, silly me.  :oops:  It is likely that Tolkein and CS Lewis for that matter borrowed material from the historical Jesus, yet they still wrote their myths several centuries after Jesus lived.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

One could debate the 'similarities' between Jesus and pagan gods for a long time, but the truth of the matter is that there is no pagan myth which compares to the story of Jesus' Resurrection. :)

Are you claiming that the resurrection myth is unique to the Jesus story? Or that it was better told?

Also, Tolkein, despite being a Christian, was explicit that the LOTR story was not an allegory of Biblical stories, rather just a story in itself.

[Sargon The Grape]

Oh, silly me.  :oops:  It is likely that Tolkein and CS Lewis for that matter borrowed material from the historical Jesus, yet they still wrote their myths several centuries after Jesus lived.

You said nothing compares to Jesus' resurrection. I merely pointed out a far more badass example.

It's perfectly normal to take elements from stories you like and re-imagine them in a new setting that you feel improves the value of those elements. Storytellers have been doing it for as long as their craft has existed. It has nothing to do with whether or not a story is true.

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I'm claiming that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is an unparalleled historical event, unique to all religious and faith-based stories.

ETA: What I meant to say was that no myths prior to Christianity have anything like Jesus' Resurrection.

[Sargon The Grape]

I'm claiming that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is an unparalleled historical event

Myths are not historical events. They are myths. They may be based on a shred of truth (flood myths probably come from the end of the Ice Age, for example), but they rarely depict the true events inspiring them.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I still think that the Osiris idea is pretty convincing as a story that predates the Jesus mythology by many years. You dismissed this citing the notion that the story 'changed', and that the idea of Osiris being resurrected was for differing reasons than Jesus.

This, naturally, is a conversation based on the idea that the resurrection mythology of Jesus is given as true; it's not. In fact, I believe it's utter hogwash; an allegorical story (at best) used to keep in line with the general themes of the book(s) it was written for.

There's no evidence any such event occurred except for what is  written down in the bible. And the bible is not a very good guide for anything.

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Okay, so modern scholars agree (in super majorities) that these historical facts from the Gospels are absolutely true:
1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. Jesus' disciples went from despairing over His death to boldly believing in His life.
3. Jesus' disciples claimed to have seen Him in Resurrected form.
4. Jesus' tomb became empty for some reason.
5. The top Pharisee and rabid persecutor of Christians named Saul (Paul) of Tarsus completely changed his lifestyle after he claimed to have seen a Resurrected Jesus. He left his top political position to become one of the people he was persecuting, who did not even accept him at first.

Paul is probably the most dynamic evidence for the historicity of Jesus' Resurrection.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Okay, so modern scholars agree (in super majorities) that these historical facts from the Gospels are absolutely true:
1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. Jesus' disciples went from despairing over His death to boldly believing in His life.
3. Jesus' disciples claimed to have seen Him in Resurrected form.
4. Jesus' tomb became empty for some reason.
5. The top Pharisee and rabid persecutor of Christians named Saul (Paul) of Tarsus completely changed his lifestyle after he claimed to have seen a Resurrected Jesus. He left his top political position to become one of the people he was persecuting, who did not even accept him at first.

Paul is probably the most dynamic evidence for the historicity of Jesus' Resurrection.

'Modern scholars'?

Name them, cite articles, peer reviewed journals.

Go:

The rest of your assertions are just that. No evidence to support them, so they can be easily dismissed. Seems you're guilty of the following fallacious reasoning:

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Ancient accounts tell of an important figure whose birth would be heralded by a star in the heavens, a god who would later judge the dead. He would be murdered in a betrayal by one close to him, his body hidden away — though not for long, as he would return in a miraculous resurrection to begin an eternal reign in heaven.

To his legions of followers, he (and his resurrection) came to symbolize the promise of eternal life.
The figure, Osiris, was the supreme god in ancient Egypt, only one of many pagan gods worshipped thousands of years before the birth of Jesus. Indeed, though Jesus is currently the best-known example of a resurrected figure, he is far from the only one.

Is resurrection real?

In modern times, there are a handful of documented cases of people coming back from the "dead," such as a condemned prisoner who somehow survived a hangman's noose (especially before the "long drop" was implemented to snap the neck), or an avalanche victim declared dead but who later recovers.

Though these cases are often characterized as miracles, they are better understood as medical misdiagnoses, since the victims were never fully and clinically dead. Some people have recovered after their heart stopped beating or their lungs stopped working, even for an hour or more. But the most important medical criterion is brain death, from which no one has recovered.

In mythology, the phoenix bird could live for a millennium before dying, whereupon it would burn brightly and arise, reborn from its own ashes. Though Islam largely rejects the idea of resurrection, like Christianity it promises an eternal afterlife.

In Eastern religions, the popular idea of karma is closely tied to resurrection and reincarnation. The concept of karma varies somewhat among Buddhists, Hindus, and Jainists but the popular understanding is that karma assures that good things will happen to good people and bad things to bad people. Karma in Buddhism holds that the fate of the soul is determined by its karma, its actions. Every act—whether good or bad, no matter how insignificant—will eventually return to the person who does it.

Most Westerners mistakenly assume the good or bad will come back during this lifetime ("what comes around goes around," as they say), but karma says that good (and bad) deeds will be rewarded in a future life, not this one. Furthermore, everything bad that happens to you is your own fault; karma says you deserve every moment of pain, anguish, and terror in your life, as you brought it upon yourself by some evil act in an earlier lifetime.
 
The New Age movement is also based on a form of resurrection myth. It is not a personal rebirth but instead a global one, a cleansing or renewal in which the antiquated, destructive old ways of thinking will be replaced by warmth and wisdom.

As fantastic as the world's resurrection stories are, they can't hold a candle to the legend of a friendly rabbit who dispenses colored chicken eggs to children once a year.  :rollin:  :roll:  Solitary