Whiny, angry, man-hating feminism

[FreethinkingSceptic]

Obviously this characterization doesn't apply to all of feminists or feminism, however, some demographics associated with feminism seem to fit this trope.

I'm going to assume it's because this whiny, angry type of feminism appeals to disaffected demographics who want an excuse to be miserable and blame something rather than solve their problems, similarly to how some demographics who support Trump or the alt-right fit this demographic.

Likewise, I'm aware that feminism in technical senses of the term isn't about "hating men". (I believe that feminism is about defining and establishing equal rights for women). Opponents of feminism may claim this, despite it being a strawman. Regardless, I'm simply pointing out that my observation is that individuals who fit this category are drawn to the angry, disaffected variants of feminism.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Yang:

mi·sog·y·nist
/məˈsäjənəst/
noun
a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
"a bachelor and renowned misogynist"

[Paleophyte]

Obviously this characterization doesn't apply to all of feminists or feminism...

Just the ones that you disapprove of.

[aitm]

I would say, without reservation, that most, if not all women have a pretty damn good reason or many to be pissed off at men. Perhaps we should try to better humans with them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would say, without reservation, that most, if not all women have a pretty damn good reason or many to be pissed off at men. Perhaps we should try to better humans with them.

Ditto for men.

[Cassia]

More guys than ever just aren't getting any. I have a tiny violin around here somewhere.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Been married four times. Each time she proposed to me.

[FreethinkingSceptic]

I would say, without reservation, that most, if not all women have a pretty damn good reason or many to be pissed off at men. Perhaps we should try to better humans with them.

I would say that being pissed off at an entire demographic of people based on some bad experiences isn't very rational.

[FreethinkingSceptic]

Just the ones that you disapprove of.

I disapprove of the ugly, angry variants of feminism and the demographics it appeals to.

That said, I believe that feminism as a whole has made a lot of valuable social change, so I also disapprove of the camp which uses "feminism" as a dirty word without knowing much about it. I identify at least as a liberal feminist, and I think this Wikipedia article on feminism should be standard reading for anyone who wants to have a debate on it, given the way the word "feminist" is used so loosely on social media:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Specifically, these are some things I disapprove of:

*Viewing all of society as inherantly oppressive and patriarchial. Therefore, being antisocial and against society rather than wanting to work with in it.

*Viewing men as inherently oppressive and privileged just because of their sex/gender.

*Pathological victimhood. While I do believe that women can be victims of oppression, I disapprove of people cultivating a sociopathic victimhood mindset which just wants to point and blame rather than solve problems and improve oneself as an individual.

*Being against standards of beauty (while I do believe that the media influences what is perceived as beautiful to a certain extent, I believe there are objective things which tend to be viewed as beautiful, but this is more of an argument about aesthetics than it is about feminism).

[Paleophyte]

I would say that being pissed off at an entire demographic of people based on some bad experiences isn't very rational.

Then why do you do it? Aside from a thriving persecution complex and a narrow-minded sense of privilege?

[aitm]

"Some bad experiences"? I assume you are of the age and education to know a little about our history. Perhaps many today's women listened to their grandmothers or even great grandmothers describe their lives being ruled by men. Most women couldn't even have their own checking account or bank accounts unless it was co-signed by a male until the 1960's, single women couldn't get a mortgage, at least generally until 1974. They couldn't vote until 1920 and had to fight like hell to get that. They had to fight like hell to be able to have control over their own bodies until the mid 1970's. And men are still trying to take that right away. Many universities denied women admission up into the mid 1960-s. So yeah. Women have a good reason to be a bit tired of the patriarchal society that still continues to try to put them back "where they belong". The only sector of society that has had it much worse are blacks. But that's a different story.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Hate is easy, tolerance takes a bit of work. My father was a Kluxxer. Not ardent but he was invited to join by a friend and went to the meetings without protest. After a few years he was chosen to host the June Klavern, we had a "three and a half car garage" that held the few dozen local Kluxxers easily. There was plywood stored in the rafter of the garage and I could slip in early and lay up there to listen to what they talked about. Some of the things they thought were cool nearly made me puke. I know for a fact that they executed a black family who dared to move into that Indiana farm town. Nailed the doors and windows shut and burned the house down. I was required to attend. Makes for great dreams.

The point is that the Klan lumps people into "white" and "everybody" else. The very essence of bigotry. The internet is like that. You can say all kinds of stupid shit and nobody can stop you in most such cases.

[Paleophyte]

I don't need to visit history for it. The boss at my previous job was overtly prejudiced, though he didn't realize it himself and would bite his tongue in two before admitting it. In just two years I was making more than anybody else except the VP, due entirely to the fact that I had dangley bits. I rapidly became the "boss whisperer" because it rapidly became apparent that he'd implement his VP's suggestions if they came from me. If she wanted something done, she'd tell me to tell him. His passive misogyny was a large part of why I left.

[Paleophyte]