You must love me or else

[the_antithesis]

No.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

NoSoul is certainly following his programming. I wonder if he still bends over obediently.

[Soul]

Conversely, you do not seem to be receptive to any of the major Islamic mystics for some reason. Any religious claim that you can make; a Muslim can as well. Truly, I say unto you, open your heart to Mohammad, He is The Light and The Way. Most of the time your specific belief system has everything to do with childhood indoctrination or perhaps just that Christianity is predominant religion of your region.

I was born to a mother who was (and still is) a practicing Catholic Christian, and thus growing up I was naturally taught about the one and triune God. This is commonly found in all faith systems. But, I was never taught to automatically reject or bad-mouth any faith system, nor that people who die and were part of another faith system they sincerely believed to be true, are sent to Hell by God. I haven't met, or heard of, any Muslim, for example, who has proof in support of the existence of Mohammed like Maria Valtorta does for the existence of the one and triune God. Does that mean God can't or won't use a Muslim, or anyone else of another faith system, as His instrument, or "pen", like He did with Maria? No. For example, I can recall reading about a Protestant that Jesus's Mother appeared and spoke to, and it changed his life, he converted to Catholicism. That is significant since most Protestants are taught awful and untrue things about Catholicism. In Maria's writings, Jesus speaks about people of all faith systems, and how He would be an unjust God if He sent people to Hell just because they were born into another religion, which is out of their control, and they were sincere in their belief. He speaks about why humans are inclined to a faith system in God or gods, and it's because we all have a God-given soul, the spiritual blood that unites all of us together and to the only one and triune God. The soul "remembers" its creator and longs to be united with Him, but due to circumstances and our free will in this life, sometimes a person's natural inclination to worship is directed at a false god(s). I'll find Jesus's quotes about these subjects and post them. His words would be best. He speaks about a myriad of subjects, and Him showing visions of scenes of His Gospel to Maria so that she could describe them was for the purpose of making it more attractive and clear for everyone.

What I like about you is that at least you went for validation beyond the typical and you are willing to reject at least some church dogma.

Well, it's validation I thought you'd appreciate and find fascinating too. I don't reject any of the Church dogmas though. If you're referring to the February 22, 2025, press release from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) regarding Maria Valtorta's writings, it's not a dogma, but I do disagree with it. They said,

It should be reiterated that alleged "visions", "revelations," and "messages" contained in the writings of Maria Valtorta—or, in any case, attributed to them—cannot be regarded as having a supernatural origin. Rather, they should be considered simply as literary forms that the author used to narrate the life of Jesus Christ in her own way.

An honest objective investigator wouldn't and shouldn't automatically take their word for it, especially when they failed to give any indication in their press release of whether they reviewed the proof in support of her writings having a supernatural origin. My response to the DDF's decision mirrors that of those given by the Maria Valtorta's Readers' Group, as expressed in the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta. See excerpts below.

The February 22, 2025, press release from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) regarding Maria Valtorta's writings is not part of the Ordinary Magisterium. It is a disciplinary clarification, not a formal teaching on faith or morals. It does not carry the authoritative weight of magisterial documents like encyclicals or catechetical texts. It's fallible, and we hold that the DDF's statement that Maria Valtorta's work "cannot be considered of supernatural origin" is not only incorrect, but also absurd, given the overwhelming evidence of its supernatural nature. We place this erroneous judgment by the DDF in the same category as other historical mistakes made by this office:

• The erroneous declaration that Saint Padre Pio's stigmata was "not of supernatural origin," along with the multiple censures of him.

• The initial placement of St. Faustina Kowalska's writings on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Holy Office, a decision later reversed with her canonization

.• The condemnation of the works of St. Thomas Aquinas on January 18, 1277, which was eventually annulled.

• Venerable Mary of Agreda's Mystical City of God, which was examined for fourteen years, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books for three months, then vindicated by Pope Clement XI, who issued two decrees strictly prohibiting its future inclusion on the Index. In the past century, two Popes affirmed her work, even extending Apostolic Blessings to its readers and promoters—an action far removed from the earlier judgment of the Hierarchy, which had placed it on the Index.

• During the pontificate of Pope Leo XIII, the Index of Forbidden Books was revised, and approximately one thousand books were removed, highlighting the fluidity of some of these judgments.

Therefore, the Maria Valtorta Readers' Group:

Personally believes in the supernatural origin of Maria Valtorta's writings.

Affirms the right of other Catholics to personally believe in the supernatural origin of her writings.

Publicly acknowledges the DDF statement which says they do not consider it supernatural in origin, though we respectfully disagree with it, considering it an error.

While we disagree with the DDF's conclusion, we still adhere to the discipline of not presenting Valtorta's writings as if they have received approval by the Vatican as coming from a supernatural source. Where some may disagree with us is in whether we can disagree with the factual accuracy of the DDF statement. We maintain that well-informed Catholics, understanding that not all statements from the DDF are infallible, may rightfully doubt certain conclusions. If informed Catholics can present credible evidence that a statement is erroneous, they are not committing a sin by rejecting it. We do not reject the authority of the DDF, but rather we challenge the validity of the specific conclusion in this case, considering it to be an erroneous judgment.

There is compelling evidence that Maria Valtorta's work is far more than just a novel. This evidence spans across theological, spiritual, literary, and scientific fields, as well as the immense good it has brought to countless souls. When examined with honesty, it becomes clear that the work cannot simply be attributed to the literary imaginings of a human being, particularly considering the breadth of expertise Valtorta lacked and her severely compromised physical condition at the time of writing. For further details, please refer to the following sub-chapters in our free e-book (A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work), which provide information on scientific evidence supporting Maria Valtorta's claim of supernatural inspiration:

• Proof by Astronomy (Such as Detailed Astronomic Observations Over the Course of Hundreds of Pages in Her 1940s Visions that a Purdue University Professor of Theoretical Physics Testified Are Remarkably Consistent with Her Dating System and that She Could Not Have Predicted or Verified Without a Computer)

• Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology (Including Her Describing Palestine and Over 350 Geographical Locations in the Holy Land with a Level of Precision in Multiple Fields that She Could Not Possibly Have Known Without Modern Electronic Scholastic Resources or Access to an Extensive Collection of Books/Atlases in the 1940s that Eyewitnesses and Common Sense Confirm She Did Not—Nor Could Have Had—Access to and Which Itself Arguably Would Have Been Insufficient to Complete Her Work)

• Proof by its Knowledge, Depth, and Eminence in the Theological, Exegetical, Mystical, and Mariological Fields (Which Many World-Renowned Trustworthy Theologians Say Exceed Anything They Have Ever Read)

• Proof by Her Detailed, Exact, and Often Unparalleled Knowledge of the Political, Religious, Economic, Social, and Familial Situation—as Well as the Dress—of the Ancient Jewish, Samaritan, and Roman Peoples that Astound Even World-Renowned Biblical Scholars

• Proof by The Poem's Unquestionable Expertise, Deep Knowledge, and Exhaustive Information in Such a Wide Variety of Theological and Scientific Subjects, and the Fact Almost 15,000 Handwritten Pages of Such Was Written in Only 3½ Years Amidst Her Unusually Severe Physical Condition and Illnesses and Even Though She Lacked the Learning, Resources, and Books Required to Write a Work a Tenth as Profound as This

• Proof by the Extraordinary, Unprecedented Way in Which it Was Written, Compiled, & Put Together (Such as the Fact that 166 Out of the 647 Chapters Were Written Out of Order, and She has Jesus Ministering in Over 350 Named Locations and Traveling Over 4,000 Miles in Six Different Cycles Across Palestine, and Yet Jesus and All of the Other 500+ Characters are Never in a Place Inconsistent with Either the Story Line or the Timing and Distance Necessities Required for Traveling, and There is Not One Person, Place, or Thing Out of Place)

• Proof By the Writing's Extraordinary Purity, Holiness, Loftiness, and Eminence Among the Writings that Exist in the World

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by Research that Shows that The Poem is Not Based on (or a Mere Expansion of) any Known Gospel Manuscript Standard, Version, or School of Critical Thought, Something Expected if a Work of This Magnitude, Detail, and Accuracy Had Been a Mere Human Effort

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) in How The Poem Resolves Many Problems in the Gospel Accounts Which Scholars Have Struggled with For Years (Including Apparent Contradictions Between the Different Gospel Accounts and Apparent Errors or Inconsistencies Within the Same Gospel Account), and How It Furthermore Corrects Certain Misunderstandings and Translation Errors that Have Been Perpetuated Throughout the Centuries

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by the Fact Maria Valtorta's Visions of Christ's Passion Perfectly Match Detailed Findings on the Miraculous Shroud of Turin that Recent Modern Scientific Tests Have Revealed Decades After Her Writings Were Published and the Fact Her Writings Foretold Something Amazing About the Veil of Veronica Which Has Been Scientifically Proven for the First Time Decades After Her Death

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by its Perfect Correspondence to the Ancient Liturgical and Patristic Tradition of the Ancient Catholic Byzantine Rite of the Church

• Proof by the Testimony of Countless Trustworthy Clerics, Authorities, Experts, Scientists, and Pious Lay Faithful and the Tremendously Good Fruits Produced in Individuals and in the Church as a Whole

The best outcome for me would be complete scientific proof of some sort of origin that didn't require twisted immoral logic to explain our brutal natural world. If a sentient being is responsible, there would some real explaining to do way beyond the feeble allegorical attempts of some iron-age tribes.

That's why you would be edified by Maria Valtorta's God-Authored writings, a wealth of questions would be answered for you, and you'd appreciate the proof in support of those writings having a supernatural origin. It's life-changing. Truly. The answers to questions asked by some of the greatest minds sit on my shelf. I am eternally grateful to God for these gifts to the world. Furthermore, her major Work, The Poem of the Man-God, illuminates the Gospel, and it consists of Jesus's commentary about certain Gospel scenes as well. Therefore, He makes the Gospel more attractive and clear. You should also read these testimonies by people who have read Maria Valtorta's God-Authored writings, including those who converted because of them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Walls of text are good exercise for the scroll finger. I really enjoy giving your posts the finger.