What makes a man a man or a woman a woman?

[FreethinkingSceptic]

Transgender people claim to be a man or woman despite having the biology of the opposite sex. Generally, the counter argument is that sex and gender are different, but if that is the case, how does one define their gender other than by their own subjective judgment?

[Unbeliever]

I don't know.

[Mr.Obvious]

Does gender need anything more than one's own subjective judgement?

I mean, gender is a social-laden term. It exists to describe something that exists solely in a social context, no?

[aitm]

There is a bit more to the reality than a blunt statement. If you are really interested, google Anne Fausto Sterling, "Five sexes revisited". Written I think around 1998. Probably the leading writer and maybe authoritarian on human sexuality. Gives one some good information that most people will not, can not and would never consider reading 'cause it fucks with gods word.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm hopelessly heterosexual.

[Unbeliever]

I'm hopelessly homosapiens.

[Sargon The Grape]

Gender is culturally dependent. If you dress, act, and can be easily identified as what your culture considers a woman, then you're a woman. Same goes for being a man. Same goes for whatever other gender identity you want to throw in there.

I throw in that "easily identified" part, because in my opinion if you're going to identify as something, you do need to make some kind of effort to look the part. You can't look and act like the manliest man who ever lived and tell me you're non-binary, or a woman. That's not how it works.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Gender is culturally dependent. If you dress, act, and can be easily identified as what your culture considers a woman, then you're a woman. Same goes for being a man. Same goes for whatever other gender identity you want to throw in there.

I throw in that "easily identified" part, because in my opinion if you're going to identify as something, you do need to make some kind of effort to look the part. You can't look and act like the manliest man who ever lived and tell me you're non-binary, or a woman. That's not how it works.

What does a "man" look like? What does a "woman" look like. Do appearances dictate how one conducts oneself?

AI speaketh thusly: A sweeping generalization is a statement that overextends a point, often making a broad conclusion based on limited or inadequate evidence. It's a type of fallacy where a general rule or assumption is applied too broadly or universally, often without considering exceptions or specific contexts.

[Sargon The Grape]

What does a "man" look like? What does a "woman" look like. Do appearances dictate how one conducts oneself?

Literally the first sentence in my post was that it's culturally dependent. You may accuse me of making sweeping generalizations when you stop making strawman arguments.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Literally the first sentence in my post was that it's culturally dependent. You may accuse me of making sweeping generalizations when you stop making strawman arguments.

I was asking what your criteria for segregation was.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

FYI: A straw man argument is a type of informal fallacy where someone misrepresents their opponent's position, often by oversimplifying or exaggerating it, then attacks this misrepresented version instead of the actual argument. It's like attacking a straw man figure instead of the actual person, making the attack easier and less damaging.

[Sargon The Grape]

I was asking what your criteria for segregation was.

I already told you what it is. It's not my fault you didn't understand the first sentence of the post.

FYI: A straw man argument is a type of informal fallacy where someone misrepresents their opponent's position, often by oversimplifying or exaggerating it, then attacks this misrepresented version instead of the actual argument. It's like attacking a straw man figure instead of the actual person, making the attack easier and less damaging.

I know what a straw man is. You are making one. I will not engage further unless and until you stop.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh, good, no more silly. Your explanation of gender is utterly ambiguous.

[Sargon The Grape]

Oh, good, no more silly. Your explanation of gender is utterly ambiguous.

Because gender is ambiguous. A man from Saudi Arabia and a man from the United Kingdom are different enough in dress and behavior, that if both were produced by the same culture they would likely be considered different genders. Indeed, our language already distinguishes them by their nationality. If I wanted to be identified as an Arabian man, I would not dress and act like an Englishman.

Your first response is irrelevant to anything I said. It reads as though you think I'm making the classic conservative "there are only two genders" argument, which can't be farther from the truth.

[aitm]

Okay, so what exactly, does ethnicity, nationality and culture have to do with gender. A pretty specific word defining the variations between male and female and there are a lot. But I can't buy into the argument of e,n and c having anything to do with sexuality.