Started by Shiranu, May 27, 2021, 04:12:07 AM
Quote from: SGOS on May 27, 2021, 07:33:02 AMBut either way, arguing logically against illogical thinkers, or just plain assholes has little effect.
QuoteB. You say theft is bad, but whatabout that time you were accused of stealing $100? What right do you have to judge?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on May 27, 2021, 09:27:26 AMWe are all illogical thinkers.
QuotePointing out logical fallacies is one method of persuasion but in my experience it isn't the best because it tends to come off as patronizing and adversarial.
QuoteRevealing logical fallacies is best in a debate when trying to win over an impartial audience, not change the mind of the opponent or people who are emotionally invested in an outcome. This is why it isn't very effective with Trump supporters, who are very emotionally invested.If the goal is to persuade someone to change their mind, it's more effective to guide rather than confront.
QuoteI don't think refuting a whataboutism can be understood by the whataboutist, and whataboutism, even as a fallacy, remains a powerful argument to the whataboutists.
Quote from: GSOgymratRevealing logical fallacies is best in a debate when trying to win over an impartial audience, not change the mind of the opponent or people who are emotionally invested in an outcome.
Quote from: Hydra009Personally, I think that changing their minds is borderline impossible, so I focus on the audience. I doubt many people put much thought into analyzing the structure of arguments presented to them and instead focus on whether or not the conclusion is "reasonable" from their perspective.