A new perspective on this thing that we know as God.

Started by od19g6, December 31, 2019, 05:13:18 PM

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Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 03, 2020, 12:55:23 AM
The ability to read minds and communicate purely through thought with another being.


Unnecessary for Moms.  They have eyes in the back of their heads, and feminine intuition.  Dads and men are clueless.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2020, 06:43:26 PM
This one seems to be another that will talk a lot without ever saying anything.

Lack of direct experience, scripture and talking points are weak.  Would you believe a Mom who had a baby, to know about that, or some INCEL?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Mike Cl on January 03, 2020, 06:02:39 PM
What exactly, has the human animal done that reflects any god?  What do you mean by humans being beyond evolution?  I'd suggest humans are totally shaped by evolution and nothing else.  Your god is no different than any other gods--none of them exist.  Your proof is totally lacking.

Ibis headed Thoth will make sure you fail Egyptian Last Judgement ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 03, 2020, 10:55:46 AM
I admit I'm having a hard time understanding this particular argument.

Usual fighting talking points.  Entertainment for the usual locals.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Hydra009

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 03, 2020, 10:55:46 AM
I admit I'm having a hard time understanding this particular argument.
P1) God exists
P2) God created humans
P3) Humans exist
Conclusion: God exists

Hydra009

Quote from: od19g6 on January 03, 2020, 12:33:27 AMThe human being is the most perfect of all creation.
Consider the source, lol.  Of course a human would say that humans are the most perfect of all.

I wonder, would crabs or ducks or dolphins or elephants agree with that statement?

od19g6

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2020, 06:43:26 PM
This one seems to be another that will talk a lot without ever saying anything.
Hi everyone.
I'll start back answering you all questions tomorrow.
Hang tight.

Baruch

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
P1) God exists
P2) God created humans
P3) Humans exist
Conclusion: God exists

Cause/effect ... primitive metaphysics.  In Eternity, there is no time.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Consider the source, lol.  Of course a human would say that humans are the most perfect of all.

I wonder, would crabs or ducks or dolphins or elephants agree with that statement?

Xenophanes 2500 years ago ... animals would make gods in their own image.  Your point is very old.  It led Xenophanes to monotheism, not atheism.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

SGOS

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
P1) God exists
P2) God created humans
P3) Humans exist
Conclusion: God exists
Can't argue with iron clad arguments like that.

Baruch

#85
Quote from: SGOS on January 04, 2020, 08:27:37 AM
Can't argue with iron clad arguments like that.

Theologians admit, all theological arguments are circular.

What is the alternative?

1. mutually independent axioms what don't contain their own conclusions (no circularity)
2. deduce theorems from those independent axioms

Example ... Euclidean geometry.  Another example, Spinoza's natural deductive theology ...

"Spinoza wrote his Ethics (1677) in mathematico-deductive form, with definitions, axioms, and derived theorems. His metaphysics, which is simultaneously monistic, pantheistic, and deistic, holds that there is only one substance, that this one substance is God, and that God is the same as the world."

Assuming one accepts axioms, and there is no error in the deductions (and those can be corrected anyways) then the conclusions follow.

Why doesn't this work as intended?  People believe axioms based on emotion, the axioms aren't independent of each other, deduction is deliberately done in error, to get the results desired.  Basically .. it comes down to semantics, and how your semantics (meaning of words) fits into your predetermined world view.  Redefine words at will if necessary.  Human beings are not fit to do anything, not even Euclidean geometry.  Because we are monkeys, not Vulcans.

Admitting I am a monkey, and not a Vulcan, I chose to redefine words as necessary.  For example "demi-god".  Having redefined "demi-god" to get the emotionally satisfying conclusion I want, QED.  aka I am a demi-god.  And that solves the atheism question for me, if not the question "of what G-d am I part of?".
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Unbeliever

Why do people come to atheist boards to talk about their God? Don't they know what the word "atheist" means?
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Jason Harvestdancer

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
P1) God exists
P2) God created humans
P3) Humans exist
Conclusion: God exists

Ah, I see, yes, that does fit.
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Blackleaf

#88
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 04, 2020, 01:20:31 PM
Why do people come to atheist boards to talk about their God? Don't they know what the word "atheist" means?

Theists typically come here for one of four reasons:

1. To troll.

2. To proselytize to us heathens.

3. To satisfy a desire to justify their preconceived ideas, with no intention of ever changing their minds.

4. To challenge their own positions by seeking alternative view points, in an honest quest to discover if they're right or wrong.

The last is exceptionally rare. Some think they are doing #4, when they are really doing #3.

And then there's Baruch. I don't know what the Hell he's here for. lol
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Unbeliever

I sometimes think some of them come here to elicit rudeness from us, so they can play the victim to their theist buddies and talk about how horrible the atheists are.
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman