The Logic of Atheists vs. Theist Arguments

[Hydra009]

Some scientists are of the opinion that science and religion are complementary.  And those particular scientists just happen to be members of the National Academy of Sciences.

Interesting.  Did you know that scientists as a whole are much less likely to be theists than the general public?  (The opposite is true of prison)



Why do you suppose that is?

And they just happened to issue a formal signed document to this effect.

They basically do stuff like that to placate people like you.  Knowledge is power, but the power of mobs of idiots is unrivaled.

[Minimalist]

[aileron]

Interesting.  Did you know that scientists as a whole are much less likely to be theists than the general public?  (The opposite is true of prison)

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Why do you suppose that is?
They basically do stuff like that to placate people like you.  Knowledge is power, but the power of mobs of idiots is unrivaled.

It would be interesting to know how they determined who is a scientist and who isn't for the purposes of that survey. For example, I've seen "scientists" opposing evolution who are pharmacists. One of my fundie relations had me read a book that described a guy with a PhD in mechanical engineering and no scientific experience as a scientist.

In the fundie-land scientist lists, for every Michael Behe on the list, there's some rando with a PhD who's a "scientist" because, y'know, PhD.

[trdsf]

TMI.  I offered you a mathematical discussion the last time and you weren't interested so don't add hypocrisy to closed-mindedness.

Bullshit.  You ran like hell from the obvious contradiction in your position.  Coward.

[Baruch]

I think this lets religion off the hook too easily. It's making a distinction between an interventionist god and a god of the gaps. It's one thing to say that science is or should be silent on the god of the gaps, but it's quite another thing to say why it is or should be silent.

The god of the gaps is a hypothesis. Any hypothesis that has to be highly fine tuned and ad hoc rescued over and over again deserves no serious consideration from science. Why exclude this hypothesis?

My personal experience says ... "god of the gaps" is atheist apologetics.  It doesn't match my spiritual experience.  But it does work for moderate atheists.

Again, atheists put literalist fish in a barrel and shoot them.  Have you no compassion?  And no, not the most brilliant argument.

[Baruch]

Interesting.  Did you know that scientists as a whole are much less likely to be theists than the general public?  (The opposite is true of prison)



Why do you suppose that is?
They basically do stuff like that to placate people like you.  Knowledge is power, but the power of mobs of idiots is unrivaled.

Correct.  And more Dems smoke pot.  But you won't catch me smoking it.  Used to be most doctors recommended menthol cigarettes.  Experts are .. of limited utility except when you really need one.

In the US, the highest income group is Hindus.  Jews are only second highest.  So as crass materialists that you are, y'all should convert to Hinduism or Judaism ;-))

Did you realize that you agreed with me, that all democracy should be abolished?  Mob rule.

[Baruch]

It would be interesting to know how they determined who is a scientist and who isn't for the purposes of that survey. For example, I've seen "scientists" opposing evolution who are pharmacists. One of my fundie relations had me read a book that described a guy with a PhD in mechanical engineering and no scientific experience as a scientist.

In the fundie-land scientist lists, for every Michael Behe on the list, there's some rando with a PhD who's a "scientist" because, y'know, PhD.

Religious categories are equally iffy.  In Japan almost everyone has two, Shinto and Buddhism.  Shinto is for life, Buddhism only for blessing new cars (death traps) and for funerals.

[josephpalazzo]

  It doesn't match my spiritual experience. 

But your brain lost a few wheels, how's that spiritual?

[Baruch]

But your brain lost a few wheels, how's that spiritual?

Blind men consider the Sun to be a myth.  You are probably the most blind person here.  Not that I hold any prejudices toward the handicapped.

[trdsf]

TMI.

I consider 72 virgins to be TMI.  That's just plain creepy, and I'm bothered you think that's a good thing.

And what kind of hypocrite do you have to be to think that your (asserted but entirely unproven) afterlife should be all about 72 virgins, especially considering Islamic attitudes towards sex in THIS life, which is the only one we actually know we have?

If (there isn't, but for the sake of argument if) there's any sort of afterlife, I want it to be cruising around the universe unfettered by physical laws so I can check on planets in different galaxies, poke my head inside black holes to see what's going on in there, spend whatever time there is learning more about what actually is.

And all you can think about is 72 virgins.  Pathetic.

[josephpalazzo]

Blind men consider the Sun to be a myth.  .

Blind men would feel the sun, and besides nobody looks at the sun. So tell me more about your "spiritual" experience. Did god speak to you??

[Baruch]

Blind men would feel the sun, and besides nobody looks at the sun. So tell me more about your "spiritual" experience. Did god speak to you??

There you go again  - Ronald Reagan.

[josephpalazzo]

There you go again  - Ronald Reagan.

So I have to conclude that your spiritual experience is just bullshit...

[Baruch]

So I have to conclude that your spiritual experience is just bullshit...

I came to doubt you totally last time around.  Please don't make me have flashbacks!

[josephpalazzo]

I came to doubt you totally last time around.  Please don't make me have flashbacks!

Your silence on spiritual experience speaks for itself...