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Started by viocjit, July 16, 2019, 09:16:41 PM

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viocjit

Hello Everybody !

I'd like to speak with you about marginalized sports in the media (TV , Radio , Magazines about sport , Internet etc...).
In North America sports like American football , Basketball and Baseball are popular.
But outside of North America the existence of US football and baseball are known but these sports aren't popular and the majority of those living outside of N.America don't known rules of these sports with the exception of Japan in which baseball is popular.

In Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America.
In Europe basketball is less popular than soccer and basketball is less popular in Europe than in North America.
Handball is more popular in Europe than North America and this sport doesn't seem to be known by the majority of people living in North America.

Australian football , Beach soccer , Gaelic football , Floorball , Korfball and many others sports aren't highly mediatized.
What to do in order to favorize marginalized sports in media ? What's yours ideas ?

Minimalist

I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.
The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails.

-- H. L. Mencken

Shiranu

QuoteIn Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America

Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Panama and Nicaragua would like to disagree.

QuoteWhat to do in order to favorize marginalized sports in media ?

I don't think you can "make" them less marginalized; if it's not a "traditional" game in your country, you just have to have someone extremely good at it come from your country and make it popular. F1 is a perfect example of this, with the sport booming into popularity in Spain with the stardom of Alonso or having a strong following in Germany and Italy thanks to very successful teams like Mercedes and Ferrari.

That, or hype up the greatest player at ______ in the world and make it so everyone HAS to know what the best player in the world at ____ is doing. Turn him/her into a brand that people will want to be a part of.
All the evils that men cause to each other because of certain desires, or opinions or religious principles, are rooted in ignorance. [All hatred would come to an end] when the earth was flooded with the knowledge of God. - Moses Ben Maimon

Hydra009

Quote from: viocjit on July 16, 2019, 09:16:41 PMIn Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America.
Umm..it's pretty popular in the US.  Not quite as popular as it is in Latin America and Europe, but still pretty popular.

QuoteWhat to do in order to favorize marginalized sports in media ? What's yours ideas ?

Hydra009

Hockey is surprisingly big in NC.  That's a bit counter-intuitive.

Also, the team is named after a natural disaster that frequently targets NC.  Basically, it's like a Hiroshima baseball team calling themselves The Nukes.  Dark humor as a coping mechanism, I guess.

Hydra009

Quote from: Minimalist on July 16, 2019, 10:10:41 PM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.
Eh... On one hand, I agree, but on the other it's culturally important and leisure activities as a whole are grossly undervalued (they beat the hell out of work and the misery that we call life) so I'm kinda leaning on giving that a pass.

Just don't leave any trash near the stadium and don't burn any cars, and we're good.

viocjit

Quote from: Minimalist on July 16, 2019, 10:10:41 PM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.

Sport can be boring for some people.
Sport can be fun for some people.
If we like it or not don't matter because it will still be a bridge between schools , universities , municipalities , counties , provinces , nations etc...
I'm not a sport fan but I acknowledge it's a bridge between people.


Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2019, 10:14:37 PM
Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Panama and Nicaragua would like to disagree.


I don't think you can "make" them less marginalized; if it's not a "traditional" game in your country, you just have to have someone extremely good at it come from your country and make it popular. F1 is a perfect example of this, with the sport booming into popularity in Spain with the stardom of Alonso or having a strong following in Germany and Italy thanks to very successful teams like Mercedes and Ferrari.

That, or hype up the greatest player at ______ in the world and make it so everyone HAS to know what the best player in the world at ____ is doing. Turn him/her into a brand that people will want to be a part of.

You're right. I forget these countries because I did only think to USA and Canada when I was thinking to North America.
Have a good player from your country in a marginalized game to increase its popularity in your country is a good idea but I'm interest about how to mediatize marginalized sports in the whole world and not in only one country.

Baruch

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Quote from: viocjit on July 16, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
Hello Everybody !

I'd like to speak with you about marginalized sports in the media (TV , Radio , Magazines about sport , Internet etc...).
In North America sports like American football , Basketball and Baseball are popular.
But outside of North America the existence of US football and baseball are known but these sports aren't popular and the majority of those living outside of N.America don't known rules of these sports with the exception of Japan in which baseball is popular.

In Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America.
In Europe basketball is less popular than soccer and basketball is less popular in Europe than in North America.
Handball is more popular in Europe than North America and this sport doesn't seem to be known by the majority of people living in North America.

Australian football , Beach soccer , Gaelic football , Floorball , Korfball and many others sports aren't highly mediatized.
What to do in order to favorize marginalized sports in media ? What's yours ideas ?

France is socialist.  So teams are supported by political parties and labor unions, right?  The US is capitalist, it is all about money, and money comes from advertising and exclusive media deals.  So maybe in France sports hierarchy is moved by social factors.  In the US, it is all decided on private golf courses like Mar A Lago.

Thus less money for some sports vs others ... for different reasons.  I guess in pure communism sports, there are just national teams, payed for by the central government.  E German Swim Team basically.  Then you can get equality between sports.  And maybe make money investing in steroids ;-(
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Baruch

Quote from: Minimalist on July 16, 2019, 10:10:41 PM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.

To busy watching soap operas? ;-)
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Don't do that.

Sal1981

I think sports is a good substitute for our desire, or innate nature, for hunting and competition (read: territorial nature).

I don't see why we should try and make marginalized sports more mainstream. I mean, the reason mainstream sports, like football is so global, is because it's a simple of trying to get a ball into the opponents goal - and that really speaks to our nature of hunting and competition, IMO. If a sport doesn't speak to our human nature, I don't see how it could succeed.
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Baruch

Quote from: Sal1981 on July 17, 2019, 10:09:00 AM
I think sports is a good substitute for our desire, or innate nature, for hunting and competition (read: territorial nature).

I don't see why we should try and make marginalized sports more mainstream. I mean, the reason mainstream sports, like football is so global, is because it's a simple of trying to get a ball into the opponents goal - and that really speaks to our nature of hunting and competition, IMO. If a sport doesn't speak to our human nature, I don't see how it could succeed.

Eleven dimensional chess will never be popular enough, only Obama and Trump can play it ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

viocjit

Quote from: Baruch on July 17, 2019, 07:26:49 AM
France is socialist.  So teams are supported by political parties and labor unions, right?  The US is capitalist, it is all about money, and money comes from advertising and exclusive media deals.  So maybe in France sports hierarchy is moved by social factors.  In the US, it is all decided on private golf courses like Mar A Lago.

Thus less money for some sports vs others ... for different reasons.  I guess in pure communism sports, there are just national teams, payed for by the central government.  E German Swim Team basically.  Then you can get equality between sports.  And maybe make money investing in steroids ;-(

In France teams are not sponsored by political parties and labor unions.
They are sponsored by companies like Adidas , Bouygues Telecom (French Internet provider) , Coca-Cola , Decathlon (A French company owning sports shop) , Visa etc...

French Republic isn't officially a Socialist state but there are things similar with Socialist states like the state bureaucracy.
PCF (Parti Communiste Français / French Communist Party) founded in 1920 is a declining party since the end of cold war.

Some decade ago it was a major political party of France and in the Western World but nowadays it is a minor party of French political life.
There are 12 senators (French : Sénateurs) members of PCF (There are 348 senators in the French senate) and 11 deputies (French : Députés) in the national assembly (French : Assemblée Nationale) on a total of 577 deputies.
PCF is a member of IMCWP (International Meeting of Communist and Workers Parties) like its American counterpart CPUSA (Communist Party of the United States of America) founded in 1919

The American homologous of French national assembly is the United States House of Representatives.
The American homologous of French senate (French : Sénat) is the United States Senate.
The French homologous of United States Congress is the French parliament (French : Parlement Français).

The economic system of USA is a market economy but in France the economic system is a mixed economy.

IMCWP : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Meeting_of_Communist_and_Workers_Parties
PCF : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Communist_Party
CPUSA : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
Market economy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_economy
Mixed economy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy
United States Congress : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
French Parliament : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Parliament
United States Senate : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate
French Senate : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_(France)
United States House of Representatives : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives
French National Assembly : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(France)

aitm

Quote from: Minimalist on July 16, 2019, 10:10:41 PM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.
Well the original practice was attacking the neighbors and bunches of peeps dying. This is probably a better idea....but some days I wonder....
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

drunkenshoe

Football is popular in the rest of the world? LOL Football is a fucking religion in the rest of the world. So naturally, it is about everything but the game.
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Baruch on July 17, 2019, 07:26:49 AM
France is socialist.

ROFL Everything you complain about your country is directly related that the state(s) in the US; esp. the federal one, are not social states. And you define a more social state structure as socialism. Or perhaps you really have no idea what they both mean?

I am not even sure what does 'social state' mean in English context though. Because the only thing that keeps coming up is Welfare State. Lol. ?
 
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp