Started by Baruch, September 06, 2017, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 06, 2017, 12:36:40 PMhttps://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/public/really-purpose-philosophy-plato/Originally philosophy was somewhat theistic ... if non-parochial about it ... since modern times, theology has fallen out of academic philosophy, outside of seminaries, when in the past, they were tied (as recently as 100-150 years ago). So the point of the article, but doesn't answer, if does philosophy have a long term goal, or has the facts on the ground of academic philosophy made the question of purpose ... moot?
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 12, 2017, 08:18:35 AMFrom elsewhere:Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2017, 01:53:48 PMTo paraphrase Albert E., philosophy without science is blind, but science without philosophy is lame.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 03:49:25 AMI disagree entirely. Philosophy is mostly nonsense and Theism is mostly about utter superstition.
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:31:55 AMGovernment is mostly disinformation. The public doesn't need to know, the narrative must be controlled ... the spice must flow.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 08:11:15 AMGovernment is not a "disinformation". It is US. And the roads must move.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 07, 2017, 04:14:45 AMInteresting article. But my best understanding of philosophy is how to answer mind questions with no answers.
Quote from: aitm on September 15, 2017, 11:11:05 AMI would suggest, and we can all relate, that once people get an "idea" in their head, and once they become tied to it, you cannot argue them out of it. Very similar to the...." you can't use reason to argue someone out of a position they didn't use reason to ...whatever" anyhoo....For the religious it becomes not just a matter of belief, it becomes a emotional one. They have tied themselves to this idea and wave the flag now. They take ownership of this idea and it is part of their outward persona. Being wrong is not going to make them feel good at all. They demand they NOT be wrong. As such, like those that comes here, we will never convince them they are wrong because to admit it, would be far too painful to their ego. They have invested a lot of time and emotion into being right. You will never prove them wrong, because they will simply ignore the "evidence".As such, to the ancient style of Socrates and/or Plato, they knew they could not argue someone out of a position so they had to let the person argue themselves into it. I cannot say that in the long run they actually convinced anyone to change their position but it would seem to work better than to present a detailed argument complete with hard facts to an audience already convinced you're lying.We have the same thing when dealing with today's politics and social angst. We cannot convince someone they are wrong using arguments they believe are simply made up. This is the larger problem, there are no "facts" anymore, just wild assertions that those whom want to believe will no matter how crazy because it agrees with what they want it to be. Facts be damned, I want "a" to be true..so such that I now proclaim it to be.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 03:07:25 AMSadly, you are quite correct. It is nearly impossible to change any person's mind.But that's not why I debate here. I know I'm not going to change Baruch's mind. But there are readers whose minds are NOT set. I am here to influence THEIR thoughts...
Quote from: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 10:21:50 PMYes, like Socrates, you are here to corrupt the youth. But not like Munch ;-)