EARTH vs. ISLAM

[aitm]

Not saying women don't have it worse in Islamic cultures,  but here in the U.S. anyways we tend to treat rape victims,  women and expecially men,  like shit... going as far as to often blame the victim in public (if not the court). So I don't think i can consider ourselves far enough ahead of the Muslim world to judge them on that.

Ah, can't agree with you there. You mention a few instances as if this is common when it is not. Certainly due to the amount of rapes we have cases that make the news for the same reasons, but we don't have a religion/culture that actively, willingly and openly treat the raped women with such distain as moslem countries. I certainly think we can judge them on that. I can't for the life of me think of any case where a women in the US was sent to jail, or whipped or beaten for being raped.

[Shiranu]

Not saying women don't have it worse in Islamic cultures,  but here in the U.S. anyways we tend to treat rape victims,  women and expecially men,  like shit... going as far as to often blame the victim in public (if not the court). So I don't think i can consider ourselves far enough ahead of the Muslim world to judge them on that.

Ah, can't agree with you there. You mention a few instances as if this is common when it is not. Certainly due to the amount of rapes we have cases that make the news for the same reasons, but we don't have a religion/culture that actively, willingly and openly treat the raped women with such distain as moslem countries. I certainly think we can judge them on that. I can't for the life of me think of any case where a women in the US was sent to jail, or whipped or beaten for being raped.

According to Leon Panetta, Defense Secretary, the number of assaults edged close to 19,000 just in the last year. That is not a small number. Less than one-fifth of reported cases end with charges, but of the near-19,000 estimated cases that aren't reported, an even smaller percentage of victims are seeing results (2.5%).

According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. That is REPORTED. According to the FBI, only 16% are reported, so that number is probably a good bit conservative.

1 out of 6 women have been raped or attempted to be raped. That is not a small number.

We have media personality, pastors and elected politicians saying that women ask for it, that rape isn't as bad as people say it is, that women should just sit back and enjoy it. We do not have a culture that allows raped women to try to get legal help because then they would be seen as "sluts who are trying to make an extra buck by screwing a guy over", or their job would be threatened or the rapist will hurt them if they report it.

So yes, it is maybe a bit better for raped women here, but not much. We are not a country that protects raped women. Just because we don't persecute them with our laws doesn't mean we don't persecute them with our actions, and as such we do not have a significantly different culture to judge them and say that we are any better.

[pr126]

I think that the title of the OP - Earth v Islam is wrongly worded.

What it should be, and this is consistent with the Islamic texts, Islam v Earth. Or rather Islam v all other religions, or lack of.

There are plenty of verses in the Quran and the hadits to affirm that.

Quran 2:193, 8:38, 47:4, 9:5, 9:29, 9:111  and the like.
Islam commands eternal warfare [jihad] against non believers. It is every Muslims religious duty.

Some people can't get their heads around that, and denies that it exist.

[baronvonrort]

How exactly would you "fight" against Islam? We can kill Muslims by the droves - but that doesn't ensure the ideology dies with them.

'You' are killing muslims by the droves right now. The amount of people killed in ME by US forces reached the proportions of genocide. It's just makes people more fundamental. Funny how you can't get that.

The troops were withdrawn from Iraq.

There are troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban, are those the troops you claim are killing muslims  by the droves, why are they not killing every muslim and only targeting the fundamentalists?

You cannot have it both ways, if we are killing muslims in Afghanistan as you claim then you cannot claim the Taliban does not represent Islam or muslims

[Plu]

There are troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban, are those the troops you claim are killing muslims by the droves, why are they not killing every muslim and only targeting the fundamentalists?

Are you assuming there is no such thing as collateral damage, or do you think assume that everyone killed by a US soldier was automatically a member of the taliban?

Just because they're fighting the taliban doesn't mean they aren't killing lots of muslims as collateral. Or igniting the already unstable situation even more, causing the taliban to kill more people as well.

[baronvonrort]

There are troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban, are those the troops you claim are killing muslims by the droves, why are they not killing every muslim and only targeting the fundamentalists?

Are you assuming there is no such thing as collateral damage, or do you think assume that everyone killed by a US soldier was automatically a member of the taliban?

You did say you were not going to reply to me yet here you are replying to my posts, you are obviously not a man of your word.

Every shot fired from an aircraft is videotaped by several cameras, i know pilots who have had to abort bombing missions because of the potential for collateral damage causing innocent deaths so you must be assuming these pilots do not obey the rules of engagement.

Yes the muslims are mighty mujahideen with god on their side, they dont suffer from friendly fire incidents because allah rewards them with a full serve of houris and a everlasting erection to service them with,Allah's will guides everything so none of the firepower from the mujahideen ever goes off target and kills innocent people.
If a friendly fire incident from the mujahideen ever kills innocent muslims do you think they will blame America and the jews for that?

The al Durrah hoax along with the lebanese ambulance hoax are reasons why i would never take the word of a muslim and do my own research on WTF happened.

Warning.......videos show muslims killing and injuring other muslims in friendly fire incidents, all deaths were probably blamed on the USA and the coalition of the willing.

This guy aims a mortar straight up, watch them run when they realise it might come back down, how many innocent people were hurt/killed during filming of this video?
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5lzjH2mgns[/youtube:2rwwje7x]

This dickhead with a RPG probably hurt a few innocent people
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj0v1V3M10g[/youtube:2rwwje7x]

Look at these mujahideen from the safety of video,see if anyone can spot a basic error, it must be allah's will eh?
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCXGzrEKW0[/youtube:2rwwje7x]

This mighty holy warrior takes out the cameraman, why do you never hear about friendly fire incidents from Allah's holy warriors?
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvRLzux-fL8[/youtube:2rwwje7x]

[Plu]

You did say you were not going to reply to me yet here you are replying to my posts, you are obviously not a man of your word.

To be honest, I didn't even remember it was you. I guess there's something wrong with my blocklist. Let me fix that.

EDIT: much better

[Jason78]

Warning.......videos show muslims killing and injuring other muslims in friendly fire incidents, all deaths were probably blamed on the USA and the coalition of the willing.

Comedy Gold!

[Jason78]

And Jason is this a comedy gold too?

No.  But then that's not wannabe soldiers playing with high explosives.

Tell me you didn't laugh your arse off when that idiot with the mortar fired his round straight up into the air!

[Jason78]

This was my point. The main subject entry for this point is 'how people of Western Cultures tend to see their problems as completely different than rest of the world, how they are manipulated to define theirs by contrast within those non western cultures, while there isn't really much of difference.

You have some very strange views about "Western Culture".  You're painting with a very broad brush there and it obscures whatever point you're trying to make.

[josephpalazzo]

-The poor raped muslim women as if the rape culture is different in your country or anywhere else.

I'm not sure what was your point here. In the West, rape is a crime, and when you are caught doing it, you go to jail. OTOH, in Islamic countries, women who are raped and officially complained are often the ones sent to jail as being the ones who provoked.

Oh yes in US they are not sent to jail, there are other 'punishments' rape victims -man or woman- to suffer in Western countries. The 'provocation rule' stands though.

It seems like you define yourself as 'smart'. Why don't you take a break from teaching 'high science' to AF members and make a little research about the general rape culture in the world. Start from recent Western reports. I am sure your intelligence would be enough to see -eventually if with sincere effort- that although this issue is accepted as something unique to certain cultures and countries -like some others- the real picture is not like that at all.

This was my point. The main subject entry for this point is 'how people of Western Cultures tend to see their problems as completely different than rest of the world, how they are manipulated to define theirs by contrast within those non western cultures, while there isn't really much of difference.

Shiranu, gave you some direct hints like what is going on in military or there are recent 'open' cases. You could have started there.

No I wasn't trying to make a full study of the rape situation in the entire world, I was trying to get clarification from your statement. But thanks for being such an asshole.

[Plu]

Aww, what's wrong? You don't like to be patronised and treated as an ignorant? What a coincidence, most people don't.

As it is written in the post, my statement IS based on those studies mentioned. If you are going to claim something about it please inform yourself immediately. I cannot lower my standards to teach you common knowledge.

 =D>

[josephpalazzo]

Aww, what's wrong? You don't like to be patronised and treated as an ignorant? What a coincidence, most people don't.

As it is written in the post, my statement IS based on those studies mentioned. If you are going to claim something about it please inform yourself immediately. I cannot lower my standards to teach you common knowledge.

So asking you for your clarification is asking you to lower your standard?!? Wow, your logic is all screwed up. No wonder Turkey never produced any great scientists or mathematicians. Worse, you're still in denial of the Armenian genocide. But with the kind of logic you're demonstrating, it's no wonder your country is all screwed up.

[Plu]

This conversation is beautifully hilarious.

[josephpalazzo]

This conversation is beautifully hilarious.

Coming from someone who has shown so much hypocrisy is hilarious.