Ethicists - Voting Your Heart is Immoral

[drunkenshoe]

There you go. The women vote. And now think if they would have voted for Bernie or not.

The real 'shy Trump' vote - how 53% of white women pushed him to victory
Early data suggest a clear majority of white women voted Republican, and supporters say Trump’s offensive remarks didn’t affect their decision

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/white-women-donald-trump-victory

Hillary failed women vote.

[Baruch]

It Trump had been a gentleman ... I would have put him first on my list, and an even greater number of women of all types would have voted for him.  Don't discount female jealousy of "successful" females.

[widdershins]

There you go. The women vote. And now think if they would have voted for Bernie or not.

The real 'shy Trump' vote - how 53% of white women pushed him to victory
Early data suggest a clear majority of white women voted Republican, and supporters say Trump’s offensive remarks didn’t affect their decision

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/white-women-donald-trump-victory

Hillary failed women vote.

Quick!  All liberals everywhere need to start grabbing women by the pussies!  It's apparently how you get their vote!

That is just fucking sad.  It's kind of like a black man voting for David Duke.  What the fuck?

[Baruch]

Quick!  All liberals everywhere need to start grabbing women by the pussies!  It's apparently how you get their vote!

That is just fucking sad.  It's kind of like a black man voting for David Duke.  What the fuck?

Dr Ben Carson comes to mind.  The exception often proves the rule however ... Carson didn't bring out much Black vote for himself ;-)

[drunkenshoe]

Quick!  All liberals everywhere need to start grabbing women by the pussies!  It's apparently how you get their vote!

*Cry.

That is just fucking sad.  It's kind of like a black man voting for David Duke.  What the fuck?

It's, isn'it? I winced looking at it.

[Hurt]

How many men voted for her over Bernie? It's now women's faullt, is that it?

A lot of people were complicit in this crime against humanity. People on here have denigrated others for voting for a third party candidate, a candidate who would be better than Trump or Clinton. I've seen several interviews during the primaries and the general where middle aged and older women have said the very thing I posted above. I think it hurt us all to have allowed Clinton to get the nomination.

For any here that voted for her mainly because of her gender, wear that badge with shame.

[Shiranu]

"... a candidate who would be better than Trump or Clinton."
Except none of the third party candidates were.

[drunkenshoe]

A lot of people were complicit in this crime against humanity. People on here have denigrated others for voting for a third party candidate, a candidate who would be better than Trump or Clinton.

That's not about who is a better candidate, but is a fear that it will won't work, but just divide the vote in the end and will be a gain for teh 'other' side.This happens all the time, esp. in two party sytems.

I can't really be sure of anyone who was actually out to vote for Bernie ending up voting for Trump against Hillary. It's the same thing you describe in a different way. Considering the dramatic difference between Bernie and Trump, so they just voted against her in the extreme opposite way to punish the Democrats? Yes she wasn't a good candidate, she wasn't THE CORRECT candidate, but if that is the case so we can assume there were people who voted against her because of her gender.

I've seen several interviews during the primaries and the general where middle aged and older women have said the very thing I posted above. I think it hurt us all to have allowed Clinton to get the nomination.

For any here that voted for her mainly because of her gender, wear that badge with shame.
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It looks like actually women refused to vote for Hillary. Because she lost them. So several women in an interview could even be just a part of democrats' campaign.


On the other hand, the amount of white people who voted for Trump -esp. white men- is a far more scary abomination and the real architects of the crime against humanity.

7 % of is black and 30 % of is Hispanic. Rest is white. Wealthy white made Trump the president.

[Hurt]

"... a candidate who would be better than Trump or Clinton."
Except none of the third party candidates were.

That depends on what you want in a candidate. Bernie wanted most of the same things that I want for this country. When he gave up, Jill Stein was the closest.

What do you want for the country that made Clinton such a good choice?

[Hurt]

That's not about who is a better candidate, but is a fear that it will won't work, but just divide the vote in the end and will be a gain for teh 'other' side.This happens all the time, esp. in two party sytems.

I can't really be sure of anyone who was actually out to vote for Bernie ending up voting for Trump against Hillary. It's the same thing you describe in a different way. Considering the dramatic difference between Bernie and Trump, so they just voted against her in the extreme opposite way to punish the Democrats? Yes she wasn't a good candidate, she wasn't THE CORRECT candidate, but if that is the case so we can assume there were people who voted against her because of her gender.

For any here that voted for her mainly because of her gender, wear that badge with shame.


It looks like actually women refused to vote for Hillary. Because she lost them. So several women in an interview could even be just a part of democrats' campaign.


On the other hand, the amount of white people who voted for Trump -esp. white men- is a far more scary abomination and the real architects of the crime against humanity.

7 % of is black and 30 % of is Hispanic. Rest is white. Wealthy white made Trump the president.

A lot of people staying home that would have otherwise come out for Sanders allowed Trump to win, and those people stayed home because the democrats shit all over them.

People have to draw the line somewhere. If Clinton had won would the democrats have moved to the left or would they continue to move to the right?

We have got to stop buying into this fear based horse shit. It only leads down.

I'm sure there were people who don't want a woman president. When I was a christ nutter I briefly went to a church that strictly held the belief the woman served the man. She didn't get a job unless her husband wanted her to, she was to serve him and any other men in the house, and they were in no way supposed to have authority over men. So I don't doubt there were people who didn't vote for her because of her gender and i think that is stupid, just as stupid as her gender was the deciding factor for some people to vote for her. I didn't vote for Obama because he was black, neither did I vote for Sanders or Stein because they are white man/woman. To me they wanted a lot of the same things as I do for the country. Simple as that.

[Shiranu]

That depends on what you want in a candidate. Bernie wanted most of the same things that I want for this country. When he gave up, Jill Stein was the closest.

What do you want for the country that made Clinton such a good choice?

More of Obama would have been nice, which Clinton was closest to. Even given the ridiculous amounts of opposition he received in the House and Senate, he was one of our at least top quarter best presidents. Likewise I want a candidate with at least a shred of competency, which instantly ruled out any of the buffoons who ran for third party (Gary Johnson was a do-nothing governor, and Jill Stein is just crazy).

[Shiranu]

I'm sure a "Socialist Jew" would have been able to beat Trump. Especially since Americans still have a huge issue with the idea of the first woman president.

[GSOgymrat]

https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

[Hurt]

More of Obama would have been nice, which Clinton was closest to. Even given the ridiculous amounts of opposition he received in the House and Senate, he was one of our at least top quarter best presidents. Likewise I want a candidate with at least a shred of competency, which instantly ruled out any of the buffoons who ran for third party (Gary Johnson was a do-nothing governor, and Jill Stein is just crazy).

That's one area where you and I disagree. Obama is republican light and not what this country needs.

I haven't seen anything to suggest Stein is crazy, what is your evidence?

[Hurt]

https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

I fucking loved that!