Ethicists - Voting Your Heart is Immoral

[PickelledEggs]

Try an experiment.  Vote 3rd party and see if that swings your state's outcome.  If it does, then you can believe that your vote is more than just a spectator sport, like watching football on tv.

Or, more like, watching pro-wrestling on tv.

That.
is.
the.
point.


If I... or you... vote 3rd party, it won't swing anything. It's the exact same thing as if we stayed at home, except we got in our car and went to the voting booth and casted a vote that didn't matter.

On the other hand, helping to build up points on a candidate that DOES have a chance at winning can swing the election.

[PickelledEggs]

I'm trying to find a .gif of someone blowing their head off with a revolver, but I can't find one that is not totally nsfw

[Hydra009]

I'm trying to find a .gif of someone blowing their head off with a revolver, but I can't find one that is not totally nsfw

Best I could do.

[Hurt]

I, by myself, cannot sway the election with my one vote.
I, by myself, cannot make a difference with carbon emissions to slow or stop climate change.
I, by myself, cannot change the way a corporation does business by boycotting their product.

A raindrop does not cause a flood.

[Baruch]

Isn't that exactly the point that everyone's been arguing with you about?  When you're hopelessly outvoted, you're not going to change the outcome.  But when you throw your weight on either of the leading options, that could change the outcome.

When the two main choices are Hitler vs Stalin .. that isn't a good strategy.  Best to get to Canada ... you defeatist south-paws.

So y'all still living in fear of hanging Chad from 2000?  About time y'all got over that.  You could have changed the election easier that year, by having a Left wing death squad eliminate Nader.  In 92 Bush Sr could have also done better, to have a Right wing death squad eliminate Perot, as he in fact threatened to do, but didn't carry out.  Assassinatus interruptus.

[PickelledEggs]

Best I could do.

You are a good man, Hydra.

a good man

[Jason Harvestdancer]

That.
is.
the.
point.


If I... or you... vote 3rd party, it won't swing anything. It's the exact same thing as if we stayed at home, except we got in our car and went to the voting booth and casted a vote that didn't matter.

On the other hand, helping to build up points on a candidate that DOES have a chance at winning can swing the election.

Then your vote STILL doesn't swing the election.

It is EXACTLY like watching a football game on your TV at home, and then cheering "we won we won" instead of "my favorite team won" if you vote major party.  That's the ONLY difference.

So, I very selfishly voted 3rd party here in California.  Because I didn't vote for Hillary I all by my lonesome swung the state for Trump.  Hillary is only leading by 61% to 34% for Trump because I didn't vote for Her, so Trump will get all the California electoral votes.

Yes, If I... or you... vote major party, it won't swing anything.

[Cavebear]

I voted.  In Maryland, it doesn't really matter.  The State is Democratic.  But I vote anyway.

[Shiranu]

Then your vote STILL doesn't swing the election.

It is EXACTLY like watching a football game on your TV at home, and then cheering "we won we won" instead of "my favorite team won" if you vote major party.  That's the ONLY difference.

So, I very selfishly voted 3rd party here in California.  Because I didn't vote for Hillary I all by my lonesome swung the state for Trump.  Hillary is only leading by 61% to 34% for Trump because I didn't vote for Her, so Trump will get all the California electoral votes.

Yes, If I... or you... vote major party, it won't swing anything.

And once again, you think it is all about you. A common trend amongst 3rd partiers.

To quote a gay friend of mine...

If you voted 3rd Party you don't get to talk about how surprised you are right now. You don't get to tell us how scared you are for us (LGBTQ). How you can't believe he could be President. No. How dare you. All you cared about was your ridiculous purist measurement. About keeping your conscious clear. So please save it. Your moral compass doesn't include us. It was always really YOU. So please allow us that actually tried to stop Trump feel what is going on right now.

The third party voters of Mich., of Penn, of several others that were close... they voted their ego over combating racism. Over combating sexism. Over combating homophobia. Over combating xenophobia. Over combating "Islamaphobia" (and I use that for lack of a better word since that is closest to what these idiots believe).

Congrats. I hope your own pride was more important than the negative ramification of your actions. But to the third party, and particularly libertarians, only one thing really matters... me, me, me... I, I, I.

[Mr.Obvious]

I don't think it's fair to blame third-party voters for trump's election.
And I don't think it right to blame the democrats either.
Trump got elected because of trump and trumpeteers.
To blame those that didn't vote for him seems like folly, at least to me.

[drunkenshoe]

I don't think it's fair to blame third-party voters for trump's election.
And I don't think it right to blame the democrats either.
Trump got elected because of trump and trumpeteers.
To blame those that didn't vote for him seems like folly, at least to me.

I don't agree. As far as I understand there is a large group in democrats who voted for Trump just 'in spite' of Hillary, because of their personal feelings or not voted because of Hillary while they would never vote for Trump. 

And yes in this case, people who didn't vote or voted for a 3rd party, actually 'voted' for the orangutan. Pass my congrats to them. And I bet they were very confident because he would never win.

[Baruch]

I don't think it's fair to blame third-party voters for trump's election.
And I don't think it right to blame the democrats either.
Trump got elected because of trump and trumpeteers.
To blame those that didn't vote for him seems like folly, at least to me.

True, but like in 92 ... the third-party vote was decisive both in total votes and in electoral college swing votes (I don't count 2000, because Gore won the total votes).  But in 92, the third-party (Perot) worked for Clinton, not against Clinton.  So it seems things are square now.

[Cavebear]

And once again, you think it is all about you. A common trend amongst 3rd partiers.

To quote a gay friend of mine...


The third party voters of Mich., of Penn, of several others that were close... they voted their ego over combating racism. Over combating sexism. Over combating homophobia. Over combating xenophobia. Over combating "Islamaphobia" (and I use that for lack of a better word since that is closest to what these idiots believe).

Congrats. I hope your own pride was more important than the negative ramification of your actions. But to the third party, and particularly libertarians, only one thing really matters... me, me, me... I, I, I.

The republican vote swung enough States for Trump.  Did a single 3rd party vote matter?

[SGOS]

The republican vote swung enough States for Trump.  Did a single 3rd party vote matter?

Mostly, the third party is a scapegoat.  For of the folly of the Trump campaign, he resonated and connected very well with a majority of voters, and a small majority of the country is happier today than it was yesterday because of it.  Hillary did not resonate very well with her constituents.  She just didn't.  She lacked what it took. 

It's unfair to blame Jill Stein for Clinton's failure to connect or Trump's ability to accumulate enthusiastic support.  I know some people are now married to a perception that they have been betrayed by a group they think rightfully belong in their camp, and I can understand the dynamic behind their anger, but that is not the reason for the failure to seat their candidate.  Hillary in the end, was the weaker candidate.

[Cavebear]

Mostly, the third party is a scapegoat.  For of the folly of the Trump campaign, he resonated and connected very well with a majority of voters, and a small majority of the country is happier today than it was yesterday because of it.  Hillary did not resonate very well with her constituents.  She just didn't.  She lacked what it took. 

It's unfair to blame Jill Stein for Clinton's failure to connect or Trump's ability to accumulate enthusiastic support.  I know some people are now married to a perception that they have been betrayed by a group they think rightfully belong in their camp, and I can understand the dynamic behind their anger, but that is not the reason for the failure to seat their candidate.  Hillary in the end, was the weaker candidate.

My point was that Stein wasn't the cause of the results of the election.